Sn1p3r187
Carolinian Shaolin Monk
I doubt it's gonna come to that dude
Russia attacks Ukraine
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Sn1p3r187
Carolinian Shaolin Monk
He aint gonna save nobody. Got a nice little bunker for him and his lover Musk. Aint nobody else gettin in. And tbf, this war escalated the moment Russia dragged North Korea into it.
donperkan
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
Bitch please
I hope no one here was stupid enough to get carried away by the propaganda drums back then
Bäckman beat intensifies and then dies out.
Sn1p3r187
Carolinian Shaolin Monk
Contracting mercenaries does not feel like a proper escalation on the level of calling a foreign entity and ally into the war. A proper escalation would be if Poland sent a whole division of troops to assist with the offensive against Russia
Resardiv
Herr Nordic Lost in Amerikat
Escalte this, escelate that. How about we escalate and end the war in Ukraine's favour now?
I was refering to the animation, but also, things are happening at a worrying tempo, and Russia keeps having to bluff harder, and even if they lose their entire shit, they might just spew untrained "orcs" over the borders, more meat for the grinder - but that in itself is an absolute shitshow that's gonna destabilize and slow things down - just recently, my city went from having 0 active anti-air units to having 6, in a circle
Just north of the fjord (what a norwegian sentence) is Norways main airforce base, offering air coverage to much of Scandinavia; thereof the air-defenses; so even IF we have to evacuate people from an entire county up north ("mostly" empty... ), and then make hundreds of thousands of Russian scum die in the vidda, they would STILL petulently lob missiles - or drones, just to be asshats about it - JUST because they got this far, and now have to go further.
That dumb old fucking kgb piece of shit sociopath, all he had to do was die of a stroke or something.
Sn1p3r187
Carolinian Shaolin Monk
Same with the previous admin in my book. I notice Russia bluffs way too much when it comes to the threats, and I feel the best way to deal with it is to fight through it. I'd only believe capability the moment they say absolutely nothing and it just happens. That sociopathic dipshit talks way too damn much for a dude who looks like he doesn't say shit.
broneslav
First time out of the vault
While Ukrainians are trying to defend their land, gas from Russia flows through their country.
Russia supplies about a quarter of the natural gas consumed in the European Union; about 80% of these exports are transported through pipelines through Ukrainian territory before reaching the EU.
To win, you first need to destroy these pipelines.
But no one is going to do that. Perhaps this is also a kind of bluff.
Based on this, Ukraine's chances of winning are about the same as the chances of Indians from reservations joining Mexico. Great Mexico.
Russia supplies about a quarter of the natural gas consumed in the European Union; about 80% of these exports are transported through pipelines through Ukrainian territory before reaching the EU.
To win, you first need to destroy these pipelines.
But no one is going to do that. Perhaps this is also a kind of bluff.
Based on this, Ukraine's chances of winning are about the same as the chances of Indians from reservations joining Mexico. Great Mexico.
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broneslav
First time out of the vault
the question is whether Europeans will be able to give up Russian energy sources completely for the sake of Ukraine.
at the same time, Ukrainians are prohibited from touching oil and gas pipelines.
at the same time, Ukrainians are prohibited from touching oil and gas pipelines.
Resardiv
Herr Nordic Lost in Amerikat
We're on that path at least, it's mostly the post-Habsburg states that still rely on Russian hydrocarbons.
We made that choice almost 3 years ago. Supporting Ukraine is the right thing to do, morally and strategically.
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broneslav
First time out of the vault
Russia's military expenditures in 2024 amounted to about $120 billion. At the same time, EU countries bought $20-22 billion worth of natural gas and $2-3 billion worth of oil from Russia in 2024. It would be interesting to know how much the EU allocated to help Ukraine?
Let's assume that only 15% of Europeans are interested in Russian gas, not so much at first glance. But the population of Europe is 740 million people, according to rough estimates 0.15×740=111. The interests of 100 million Europeans against the interests of 30 million Ukrainians. Who will win?
Moral formalism and hypocrisy of politicians or economic expediency?
Let's assume that only 15% of Europeans are interested in Russian gas, not so much at first glance. But the population of Europe is 740 million people, according to rough estimates 0.15×740=111. The interests of 100 million Europeans against the interests of 30 million Ukrainians. Who will win?
Moral formalism and hypocrisy of politicians or economic expediency?
Resardiv
Herr Nordic Lost in Amerikat
The EU as an institution has given Ukraine over €143 billion since the start of the full-scale invasion, this doesn't count what the individual member states have given themselves.
Your assumption is wrong.
1. Your population figure includes Russia, which reduces it to 600 million. It's also doubtful if we should even count Turkey, which would lower the population to just 515 million if removed.
2. You can't just pull a number like that (15%) out of your ass as not all countries are reliant on Russian natural gas. As I wrote earlier, it is mostly the small central European states that rely on Russian gas. Like Hungary, Austria, Czechia and Slovakia. The total cost of ALL Russian fossil fuel imports to the EU was less than €2 billion.
3. Why do you insinuate that we, the European people, don't want to support Ukraine? Do we lack our own true agency and the evil politicians do it just to spite us and waste money? Of course not, we want Ukraine to win. It's not about "muh" economy, it's about securing a better strategic position, weakening Russia, rule of international law, stopping Russian imperialism and genocide and securing our strategic independence. I hope you realise that all trust in Russia is GONE.
broneslav
First time out of the vault
Among the EU countries, France, Hungary and Spain are the biggest buyers of Russian gas — they accounted for more than half of all imports from Russia, according to Eurostat data for the first eight months of 2024.
Thus, from January to August, Russia supplied the EU with gas worth nine billion euros, with pipeline gas once again becoming the main export. It accounted for 4.6 billion euros.
Gazprom's pipeline gas supplies to its customers in Europe reached 14.6 billion cubic meters in the period from January to June 2024.
Hungary + Austria + Czech Republic + Slovakia = 35 million people. And these are far from all the countries interested in Russian energy resources.
As for the supremacy of international law, I doubt that Russians would agree to be exterminated in Donbas, to have the Russian language banned where 90% of people speak it, or, for example, to commit genocide in Crimea, just because international law requires it. Real strong-willed nations are capable of defending themselves. Russians have proven this better than many others.
Thus, from January to August, Russia supplied the EU with gas worth nine billion euros, with pipeline gas once again becoming the main export. It accounted for 4.6 billion euros.
Gazprom's pipeline gas supplies to its customers in Europe reached 14.6 billion cubic meters in the period from January to June 2024.
Hungary + Austria + Czech Republic + Slovakia = 35 million people. And these are far from all the countries interested in Russian energy resources.
As for the supremacy of international law, I doubt that Russians would agree to be exterminated in Donbas, to have the Russian language banned where 90% of people speak it, or, for example, to commit genocide in Crimea, just because international law requires it. Real strong-willed nations are capable of defending themselves. Russians have proven this better than many others.
Resardiv
Herr Nordic Lost in Amerikat
Besides Hungary, the other states are actively working on becoming less dependent on Russian fossil fuels, it's not something that can be done over a day. It's not a binary choice,
The 2022 invasion was a wake-up call for Europe which finally realized that we can never ever trust Russia. We gave them an olive branch after the Soviet collapse; they returned the favour by trying to forcefully blackmail us and carry out wars of conquest. We had no plans of joining Nato pre-invasion, but they left us no choice.
What are you even talking about? The "Russians" you are speaking about are Russian-speaking Ukrainians, not Russians. Language spoken ≠ nationality. You don't call the Irish English because they speak English, no? So why would you do the same with Ukrainians? The Russian language isn't banned, it never has been, and it's still widely spoken across eastern Ukraine. The only genocide in Crimea was the deportation of the native Tatars by Soviet authorities 80 years ago. Russia isn't "liberating" its "little Russian" neighbours by subjecting them to a genocidal occupation, obducting children, seizing homes and forcefully conscripting them.
Having a strong will doesn't equate to being a capable defender, mind over matter does little in warfare on a strategic level. Russia isn't defending itself by attacking Ukraine, which it did in 2014, Russia is the aggressor. It's the Ukrainians who are bravely defending themselves against an openly genocidal aggressor who wishes to subjugate them and erase their culture. Turn on Russian TV and they say this openly, it's not something they're hiding.
The 2022 invasion was a wake-up call for Europe which finally realized that we can never ever trust Russia. We gave them an olive branch after the Soviet collapse; they returned the favour by trying to forcefully blackmail us and carry out wars of conquest. We had no plans of joining Nato pre-invasion, but they left us no choice.
What are you even talking about? The "Russians" you are speaking about are Russian-speaking Ukrainians, not Russians. Language spoken ≠ nationality. You don't call the Irish English because they speak English, no? So why would you do the same with Ukrainians? The Russian language isn't banned, it never has been, and it's still widely spoken across eastern Ukraine. The only genocide in Crimea was the deportation of the native Tatars by Soviet authorities 80 years ago. Russia isn't "liberating" its "little Russian" neighbours by subjecting them to a genocidal occupation, obducting children, seizing homes and forcefully conscripting them.
Having a strong will doesn't equate to being a capable defender, mind over matter does little in warfare on a strategic level. Russia isn't defending itself by attacking Ukraine, which it did in 2014, Russia is the aggressor. It's the Ukrainians who are bravely defending themselves against an openly genocidal aggressor who wishes to subjugate them and erase their culture. Turn on Russian TV and they say this openly, it's not something they're hiding.
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There's always a whole bunch of different justifications for aggression against Ukraine - it's spooking Russia too much by being too pro-western OR it's being too provocative by contemplating NATO or they are actually not Ukrainians at all, but "little Russians" OR they are subjugating THEIR little-little-Russians
A long, nice, convenient list of justifications, so very debate-proof; "oh, so you don't buy the ethnic justification, then look, here - I have a geographical one! No? Not convinced? Then here, have a historical one!"
A long, nice, convenient list of justifications, so very debate-proof; "oh, so you don't buy the ethnic justification, then look, here - I have a geographical one! No? Not convinced? Then here, have a historical one!"
broneslav
First time out of the vault
Absolutely right. I do not call the Irish English. Besides, I do not dispute the right of the British Crown to own Northern Ireland.
There was no genocide of Russians in Crimea precisely because Crimea is protected by the Russian army. If Russia leaves Crimea, the Russian population will be deported or subjected to systematic extermination like the population of Donbass.
It is quite funny to hear from Europeans that NATO is not directed against Russia, but then to read on the Internet, where you can anonymously write that the main goal is to weaken Russia.
You probably think that Russians are fools who do not know about drang nah osten.
Or maybe you yourself do not know that Ukraine was occupied at different times by Sweden, Poland, Lithuania, Germany, Austria-Hungary. Maybe you do not know how France and Britain fought in Crimea against Russia (1853-1856).
Imagine for a second that Russia had sent its fleet to support Ireland against England.
And if Russia wants to erase the culture of Ukraine so much, maybe you have some facts? Maybe the writer Gogol was banned? Maybe monuments were torn down, books were burned, or streets were renamed?
www.lemonde.fr
Your cartoon is wonderful. Only you forgot to draw the Ukrainian government on it, which protects this pipeline from Ukrainians.
There was no genocide of Russians in Crimea precisely because Crimea is protected by the Russian army. If Russia leaves Crimea, the Russian population will be deported or subjected to systematic extermination like the population of Donbass.
It is quite funny to hear from Europeans that NATO is not directed against Russia, but then to read on the Internet, where you can anonymously write that the main goal is to weaken Russia.
You probably think that Russians are fools who do not know about drang nah osten.
Or maybe you yourself do not know that Ukraine was occupied at different times by Sweden, Poland, Lithuania, Germany, Austria-Hungary. Maybe you do not know how France and Britain fought in Crimea against Russia (1853-1856).
Imagine for a second that Russia had sent its fleet to support Ireland against England.
And if Russia wants to erase the culture of Ukraine so much, maybe you have some facts? Maybe the writer Gogol was banned? Maybe monuments were torn down, books were burned, or streets were renamed?
No more Pushkin, Dostoyevsky, or Tolstoy: Ukrainian libraries clean out shelves
Russian authors have disappeared from the shelves of most Ukrainian libraries since the 2022 invasion. Librarians are not taking these decisions lightly, but rather out of a sense of patriotism.
www.lemonde.fr
Your cartoon is wonderful. Only you forgot to draw the Ukrainian government on it, which protects this pipeline from Ukrainians.
Resardiv
Herr Nordic Lost in Amerikat
The Russian population present post-2014 occupation are not legal residents of Crimea, they have no right to live there. Hence why they should be deported, the same way any state treats illegal migrants.
Nato was ambivalent about its purpose and didn't want to be seen as too hostile post-Soviet collapse until the 2022 invasion. I'm glad we're finally open about it because everyone already knew that, no need to play silly games. Russia has always seen us as foes, no matter what.
I'm well aware of who has controlled the modern territory of Ukraine, no need to try and lecture me. Stop trying to insinuate that Russia has the right to subjugate its neighbours, it does not.
You mean when Ukraine finally decided to remove its Russian colonial legacy and monuments praising the country's subjugation? If Russia wants to spread its values and culture do it peacefully, not by invading Ukraine to forcefully russify them.
Nato was ambivalent about its purpose and didn't want to be seen as too hostile post-Soviet collapse until the 2022 invasion. I'm glad we're finally open about it because everyone already knew that, no need to play silly games. Russia has always seen us as foes, no matter what.
I'm well aware of who has controlled the modern territory of Ukraine, no need to try and lecture me. Stop trying to insinuate that Russia has the right to subjugate its neighbours, it does not.
You mean when Ukraine finally decided to remove its Russian colonial legacy and monuments praising the country's subjugation? If Russia wants to spread its values and culture do it peacefully, not by invading Ukraine to forcefully russify them.