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Ayelander
Ayelander
Institute is this weird fusion of Enclave and Mr House, they try to come off as these mastermind isolationists, but besides from the teleport ambushes they're really incompetent? I think Bethesda forgot that characters are only as smart as the people writing them.
Ayelander
Ayelander
I didn't even buy it and I want my money back.
Ziggy Stardust
Ziggy Stardust
It portrayed synths well. But it was still a disappointment.
Ayelander
Ayelander
I have to disagree. Synths have no place in Fallout. Or at least, Gen 3 synths don't. Valentine is an acceptable cutoff point for the technology to remain believeable in Fallout's universe, but when I'm watching the Institute pump out vatgrown humans once a minute, any belief is shattered and I'm reminded of the rule of cool priority Beth has in place.
Ayelander
Ayelander
Reducing G3 Synths to flesh and blood humans with a chip stuck in them cheapens the entire morality they try to drown you in with the Synth free will/sapience. Shit, I'm more interested in the actual robots gaining true AI over the 200 years, seeing how they apply a hell of a lot more to the entire "Can we see artifical life as equals?" the game is filled with.
Ziggy Stardust
Ziggy Stardust
In a world of viruses that make people big strong and green and laser guns and metal armor with jetpacks, is the idea of a human like robot so far fetched
Ziggy Stardust
Ziggy Stardust
Especially considering that the scientists working on it didn’t have any idea of ethics or morals holding them back from kidnapping specimen or replacing citizens, progress moves a lot faster
Ziggy Stardust
Ziggy Stardust
Wtf you got me defending fallout 4
Ayelander
Ayelander
Of course not, since humanlike would apply to people like Nick and DIMA. Gen 3 Synths are beyond aping the human form and are as close cut from the flesh as it gets without being 100% human.
Ziggy Stardust
Ziggy Stardust
Nick Valentine isnt 200 years of unconstricted scientific progress away to the robots we have now
Ayelander
Ayelander
I can't really buy the Institute working day and night for 200 years and pumping out the kind of tech required to make perfect replicas of the human body and mind with the resource drained world they live in.
Ziggy Stardust
Ziggy Stardust
I would also argue that it’s not likely that our army will become a bunch of lazer gun shooting hunks of metal in the next 50 years. Sure, it often tries to be realistic, but when you look at what Fallout is based off of, it’s 50’s sci fis. The kind where Aliens fight with lazer (laser?) guns and robots walk among us.
Ayelander
Ayelander
The 50's thing is entirely overblown. And to counter your point of energy weapons, resources were already near-depleted during the great war, forcing America to develop less demanding weaponry. A battery is a hell of a lot less taxing on your remaining stores than a box of bullets.
Ayelander
Ayelander
I understand it all requires supension of disbelief, but I can imagine lasers and heavy weapon platforms fueled by overkill batteries a lot more vividly than I can for humans with an ID chip embedded in their neck being passed off as non organic life.
Crni Vuk
Crni Vuk
It reeks of Blade Runner. Which is a great movie and story for it self, but not exactly something that screams Fallout to me. It's not so much the technology, it's just the setting doesn't really support it all that much. It's something that rather fits to Cyberpunk 2077 or Deus Ex.
SquidWard
SquidWard
I don't think it wants to be New Vegas at all. I think most of what they could have learned from NV was ignored.
Ayelander
Ayelander
It certainly tried to imitate New Vegas on multiple levels, even going as far as taking ideas from mods like wasteland defence.
Ziggy Stardust
Ziggy Stardust
The problem with fallout 4 wasn’t that they were not passionate. It was that they were too passionate. They used the wasteland template to make what was essentially a glorified fanfiction, and a lot of the essence of Fallout got lost in translation
Ayelander
Ayelander
So a repeat of their work on Fallout 3 then. Bethesda has a nasty habit of making official fanfics. 3 was their response to 2, and 4 is the response to NV. It really shines through when you compare the tone of 3 and 4.
Ayelander
Ayelander
Fallout 3 was more focused on the lolsorandom humour because thats how it was in Fallout 2, and 4 was an attempt at taking the world seriously as it was in New Vegas. The most original game they've pumped out with the Fallout name attatched is the vault eugenics simulator.
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