No Mutants Allowed

Vault 87 was filled with retcons and plot-holes. Nothing more.

Yeah I know, but im trying to prove to a Fallout 3 Apologist on whether or not Vault Tec actually had it's scientists involve with Vault 87.

A fallout 3 apologist? Just show them this:
http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=27085
Or at least quote it. It perfectly sums up everything wrong with the game story wise. Without references previous game's lore.

You are assuming Bethesda put more than 3 seconds of thought into that plot detail.

I'd say Vault-Tec. Bethesda screwed it up of course. Here's a cut terminal log that butchers the lore futher.

I'm told that Dr. Merrick is one of the brightest minds in the field of accelerated evolution, and apparently Vault-Tec agrees, because they've set up this Vault around him to suit all of his needs in the event that the bombs fall. All of his data and his work have been transferred to this facility from many important sources such as Mariposa Base, West-Tek and Vault-Tec Labs.

I basically think Fallout 3 needs no apology. It's awesome and people loved it.

Some people love eating chalk and toilet paper. Doesn't mean I should do the same. Fallout 3 is mindless blockbuster porn. It shouldn't be praised and built up as something it is not.

Hand over the shit dear, I'm out.
I was playing Oblivion last day. It's EXACTLY like Fallout 3 but with less grass and clutter, as per garbage and rubble. Yet underwhelming at best, I see now the point of "Oblivion with guns". It's true.

We always had a point. The Bethesda fanboys were just too dense to see it.

Well it could have been as valid a complaint as FNV and Fo3 being the "same" or not. Turns out it was.