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    The Enclave: Evil or Machiavellian?

    I'll give you this, it isn't fact, but it is subjective. I shouldn't be asserting my opinion as fact and I apologize for that, but you shouldn't be doing the same then. Because it's not past 2077 yet and the world hasn't been destroyed by a massive thermonuclear war.
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    A new-found appreciation for Fallout 3

    Two of those aren't 90s games. Yeah, but we didn't know that, and we still don't. Troika went under hard by 2004, and good as The Masquerade was, it wasn't a critical success and was just as buggy at launch as 3 ended up being. Do I think they could've done better than Bethesda? Sure, but...
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    The Enclave: Evil or Machiavellian?

    It's not twisting anything, it's simple fact. Everyone you meet is a civil, often polite person. Richardson is a pretty friendly guy. Eden's friendly. Autumn is harsh only because he believes you're an enemy. Even Horrigan isn't that outlandish. The Enclave is never once portrayed as a comically...
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    The Enclave: Evil or Machiavellian?

    Every faction has problems with unity, but of all of them, I'd say the Enclave is possibly the most unified, aside from maybe the Master's Army, or House's Vegas. 150 years to build up some adobe huts and metal shacks, or 150 years to build up skylines and fully-functioning pre-war cities? I'd...
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    The Enclave: Evil or Machiavellian?

    We're talking about Fallout. The Enclave and the inhabitants of vaults and secured shelters will rebuild, pretty simple. The Wasteland wasn't exactly rebuilding. The NCR and the Legion got pretty big yeah, but still were only on the cusp of getting all the amenities right. The NCR had factories...
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    The Enclave: Evil or Machiavellian?

    Correction, a rogue computer AI wanted to poison the water, not the Enclave itself. The D.C. Enclave were only a portion of the Enclave at large to begin with, and according to dialogue and notes, both the D.C. Enclave and Enclave High Command elsewhere took Autumn's side, not Eden's. That's all...
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    The Enclave: Evil or Machiavellian?

    And why shouldn't they want to? The NCR can conquer and tax and control anyone it comes across, since it sees it fit for the vision of a new post-apocalyptic world. The Legion can conquer and enslave and tax anyone it wants, since it sees it fit for the vision of a new post-apocalyptic world...
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    The Enclave: Evil or Machiavellian?

    If we're going to play by your logic, every ghoul, super mutant, and bandit you've ever killed all made you evil. They were just trying to live their lives out and you stopped them from doing it because they were a threat to you. If the Enclave does it and they're evil, then you're evil too...
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    The Enclave: Evil or Machiavellian?

    According to the Fallout Bible that was an unintended oversight on the developers' part, and in reality the Enclave patrol fired without orders because they got spooked. Only a few of the Vault residents died and the soldiers had to lie about it to get out of being punished. The cutscene is...
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    A new-found appreciation for Fallout 3

    Morrowind is nearly unfunctional on modern hardware and even "fixed" versions need special patching to work. New Vegas is a good vanilla experience, but to be truly great it also needs mods. There's only so much you can do with the engine. By what standards are you judging "worse"? I'll agree...
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    The Enclave: Evil or Machiavellian?

    Vault-Tec didn't become a widespread Enclave thing until either 3 or 4 if memory serves, so either way it's disregarded as far as I'm concerned. From what I hear it's gotten even dumber in 76. And obviously, doing something that Nazi Germany also did doesn't make you Nazi Germany. Did you know...
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    The Enclave: Evil or Machiavellian?

    Godwin's law wasn't meant to be an actual method of arguing.
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    A new-found appreciation for Fallout 3

    For starters, no Gamebryo game is playable and completely enjoyable without mods and fixes. Morrowind and New Vegas aren't excluded from this either. Be it your hardware preventing you from playing the game, or the game having aspects that could be massively improved, most people play with mods...
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    A new-found appreciation for Fallout 3

    I got softer on 3 over the years. I liked it when it came out, blamed it for ruining the franchise like a lot of others, but then went back to it. It's good for what it is and I greatly enjoy both 3 and NV. They're different games and do different things. As far as that goes, NV is meant to be...
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    The Enclave: Evil or Machiavellian?

    Don't worry, a third of me's true to Caesar, just the Enclave and House take up a little more room. It's an interesting subject though. There've been a lot of takes on the Enclave over the years.
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    Lanius's bad reputation is undeserved

    Joshua's a little overrated. He's cool and all, but the whole reason he was given the boot and the burn was because he failed as a leader. Lanius, for all his lack of strategic abilities, has been more successful than Joshua. I think if anything Caesar doesn't want him mentioned because of...
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    Fallout 1 or Fallout New Vegas?

    For its influence and worldbuilding, 1. For its gameplay and storyline, New Vegas.
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    The Enclave: Evil or Machiavellian?

    Might be a controversial answer: neither. They're the good guys, in my honest opinion, and working in the right. The methods are extreme, but they remain the only faction with the mission of restoring the world to its prewar state. The NCR and the Legion just want to copy old governments and...
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    Lanius's bad reputation is undeserved

    We really don't see much of his other Mojave leadership in the first place. Dead Sea seems to be alright, just very cautious. Aurelius isn't too great, but he's got such a minor role it's hard to tell for sure. It takes the intervention of the Courier to stop the Legion from winning, and if you...
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    Lanius's bad reputation is undeserved

    Again, slaves in the Mojave. Female citizens, no. Caesar says he believes their role is to build society and keep the Legion going, but that doesn't mean they're all breeding slaves. He even says they're teachers and healers, and if they're responsible for the education of Legionaries, they're...
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