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But games like Ultima, Wizardry, Wasteland and Fallout were inclueded in adventure. plus, Tomb Raider, Duke Nukem and Bataman games are not pure adventure game. aren't they? they are more like TPS with adventure theme or FPS with adventure theme. actually, RPGs and adventure games in these days...

Actually, there were no border between adventure and RPG. both Zork and Wizardry started from D&D which is originally called RPG.

For me, it's all about finding clues. for example, at Fallout, you have to find clues about waterchip, GECK or a man. and while you are finding clues about those, you also find clues of something more important or more urgent event you have to prevent. how about beth's pseudo RPGs? while there...

Are there no moe character customization DLC? just kidding :lol:

Sorry I wasn't mean to indicate you. just I remind some of trolls..

Playing beta version right now. I just want to say it's awesome. it's graphic or design looks plain but game itself is really good. D:OS? forget it. it's just mixture of Fallout and Diablo but worked poorly.

I really wonder why fo3 lovers(or worshippers) are always comparing NV? they are totally different genre(free-roaming linear shooter and quest RPG) and comparing NV make fo3 more and more worthless.

No, beth just don't try to succeed and Obsidian always try to succeed. Alpha protocol, New Vegas and Storm of Zehir are kind of spiritual successor of Fallout(or just Interplay RPG which starts from Wasteland). AP and NV tried to succeed RP from Fallout. and Zehir and NV tried to succeed PnP...

saddly, limits from fo3 make NV flawed and less hardcore...:sad:

What does that mean?:roll:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Aip2aIt0ROM#t=860 sounds similar to this.

Well, I'm just complaining about story and combat make people forgot what was RPG(it's not RP at all!). maybe it's kind of hitting strawman. but I want to make one thing clear: yes, the reasons you said are make sense. and you are doing right thing to why fo3 is loved. and one more thing, in...

the problems are, it has name of Fallout, labled as RPG, advertised as WRPG and it's ancester is Daggerfall and Morrowind. I don't hate linear games but just hate fo3 for various reasons. well, mods are might be good points of games. but for me, they are just look like pile of junk metals. some...

Although I don't know and I don't have much interest in LotR, that sounds interesting. I think it's latter. but I also think it's varies from person to person. some people act like Gandalf even in game, and some people ignore Gandalf and do whatever he want with given situation.

It's not story. it's different genre of quest. for fo3, it's really a story, no more and no less than a linear story. there are some braches of meaningless choices. but basically, it's just linear story. but at NV, it's not story it's non-linear plot+non linear gameplay. think about an RPG as a...

It's more than replacing direction or handy function. it's more like replacing aiming with auto aiming at FPS. and with auto journal, you don't have to ask again about dirrection.

and why don't we replace shooting with QTE? or replace moving with watching charater move automatically?

GTA? it requires quest marker because there is no clue except for quest marker. but games like oblivion, skyrim and fo3 can be replaced by other informations about dirrection.

Quest is about finding clue, exploring world, reasoning for what should I do and make decision. why quest marker is bad? because it erases both reasoning and exploring world. it make RPG feel like "following arrow and the world is saved" rather than doing awesome adventure to save the world.

Well, every game can be loved. hell, I even love some game that are worse than fo3. but loving something doesn't mean he or she should praise that game or ignoring flaw of that game. fo3 has some good things to be loved. it's graphic work is good, it has some unique features like VATS, infamous...