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Re: How much more advanced are we, than the public knows?
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Many believe it was around 13 years ago - I've even heard 10 somewhere - but it goes back further in time than that. The actual answer is 23. Yes; the stuff we know of was designed and created 23 years ago.frissy said:
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The environmental lobby wants to push it back to 24 - the hard core to 25 - based on the DDT argument, "How do we know it's safe unless we have 24 (25) years of testing", etc.
I'd like to know. And what does it apply to?
they also use Windows NT *giggles like a naughty little schoolgirl*
I heard the military was sending someone called PhredBean over to discredit legitimate public concerns using nervous mockery.
Unkillable Cat
Mildly Dipped
Well, I know for certain that when CD-ROM drives were coming out back in 1993, there were articles out then already about switching out the red ray of CD-ROMS for blue rays instead, because they're thinner.
Something we're only now beginning to see on the market.
What's worse, some of those articles also mentioned the blue rays already being obsolete, because purple rays are thinner than blue rays, and the technlogy for those has been around just as long as the "blue ray" thingie.
So my answer to the thread topic is: At least a decade, propably more.
Something we're only now beginning to see on the market.
What's worse, some of those articles also mentioned the blue rays already being obsolete, because purple rays are thinner than blue rays, and the technlogy for those has been around just as long as the "blue ray" thingie.
So my answer to the thread topic is: At least a decade, propably more.
euhm...
when we invented the cannon, we dreamt of a handheld version. when we invented assault rifles, we dreamt of gauss, laser & sonic weapons. when we invented nuclear power, we dreamt of cold fusion. when we invented the a-bomb, we dreamt of a neutron bomb.
now all that doesnt exactly mean it was ready for use, was it?
of course there was already talk of a next generation when something is released. isn't it normal to look ahead?
you say blue ray was being researched when cd-rom was commercialised? of course, it was. research doesnt mean: "have an idea & it's done". no, it takes time. and it also takes time to prepare it for the market & prepare the market for it's arrival.
what exactly are your trying to prove?
when we invented the cannon, we dreamt of a handheld version. when we invented assault rifles, we dreamt of gauss, laser & sonic weapons. when we invented nuclear power, we dreamt of cold fusion. when we invented the a-bomb, we dreamt of a neutron bomb.
now all that doesnt exactly mean it was ready for use, was it?
of course there was already talk of a next generation when something is released. isn't it normal to look ahead?
you say blue ray was being researched when cd-rom was commercialised? of course, it was. research doesnt mean: "have an idea & it's done". no, it takes time. and it also takes time to prepare it for the market & prepare the market for it's arrival.
what exactly are your trying to prove?
Atomic Cowboy
It Wandered In From the Wastes
Are you kidding? The army hasn't even heard of USB. They have big, bulky, custom made cables for their radio systems.Vox said:
And I still don't understand why they can build a civie radio that works anywhere, but the $20 000 radios the army has break down as soon as you go over a hill.
I know that in design, a lot of models turn out to be maybe 20 or 30 years ahead of their time, and 90% of those models are never even used, but stay purely conceptual, because if practical or economic reasons.
It's a slow progress. People don't want to buy what's too weird and expensive.
That brings me to another thing. Technology is developed at a fast pace. If you let all that technology pour all over the market without control, people won't be able to keep up. Not to mention it would be untested, and nothing would be reliable.
I don't think we're that much advanced than we think we are, or that we know, because you can't really count all that "on the edge" research; it often stays theoretical, hypothetical and conceptual. Don't get me wrong though, it has a very important function.
It pulls the huge technology block forward, in a direction that eventually leads to that level of knowledge. Spearhead research is the engine in the big Science steamboat, and while some parts of that engine always fall off, it always reaches the preset destination.
It's a slow progress. People don't want to buy what's too weird and expensive.
That brings me to another thing. Technology is developed at a fast pace. If you let all that technology pour all over the market without control, people won't be able to keep up. Not to mention it would be untested, and nothing would be reliable.
I don't think we're that much advanced than we think we are, or that we know, because you can't really count all that "on the edge" research; it often stays theoretical, hypothetical and conceptual. Don't get me wrong though, it has a very important function.
It pulls the huge technology block forward, in a direction that eventually leads to that level of knowledge. Spearhead research is the engine in the big Science steamboat, and while some parts of that engine always fall off, it always reaches the preset destination.
Which is why the air force and the army are starting to buy civie equiptment rather than military-specific contractor-developed equiptment. They don't pay development, support is in place, it works well, plenty of civilians to hire as maintanance contractors that know the equiptment well rather than training enlisted. I give it 20 years before the only actual military personell left are the actual combatants and all support roles are GS ranks.Atomic Cowboy said:
Heh, funny, but I'm not military anymore, nor am I happy with the air force whatsoever.Per said:
No, military radars use vacuum tubes such as the magnetron, klystron, and traveling wave tube for their amplification and oscillation. The new radars they are developing (such as the Max) still use those tube old technologies. The processing cabinets in those radars for seperating video from noise and other such applications were as large as a refrigerator, each card being the size of my motherboard though having less processor power than any one chip on my sound card (it's also worth mentioning those fucking pathetic cards cost thousands a peice, die constantly, and are custom made when ordered taking weeks to get replacements). Meanwhile civilian radars are phasing to DASR technologies using solid state electronics without vacuum tubes, their amplification coming from a large amount of amplifiers in parallel rather than a $200 custom ordered tube that constantly requires re-alignment.
Military radios are newer, but suffer countless setbacks. They are unreliable, bulky, and run out of charge rather quickly. Your cell phone or a pair of family talk motorolas easily out preform them.
That's not even getting into ground vehicles or computers (the office I was in had the original Pentium Pro at most of its workstations). Most of our current jets (F16, F14, F15, and F18) were developed in the 70s.
Frissy's statements still hold true for the military, most of the stuff we know and use is at least 20 years old.
Large-scale wars push technology forward because of the urgent need of it. This was obvious in WW2 (and the Cold war, even if it never broke out). However, the military-industrial complex in itself does not advance technology during peacetime. Most of that technology, as many posters have stated, is based on civilian designs and research.
i shouldnt actally be saying this it can get my mate into alot of trouble but ill say it any way just with no names. he works in the army (british) he works in the wepons development core. he says some of the stuff they have invented ud expect to be in a star wars film . he recons the stuff he works on now will be comercaily realised in about 50 years time.
Yes, at the same time as society and technology in all the other sectors have reached the same level of advancement. And what he's doing will probably never be used, it's just pushing the whole opinion into that direction, as I stated above.
With MILITARY i don't mean cannon fudder like your older brothers.
I mean REAL ADVANCED shit.
http://bleex.me.berkeley.edu/CV/Ryan/R1-BLEEX.jpg
http://www.newscientist.com/data/images/ns/cms/dn8275/dn8275-1_250.jpg
(and thats actually just crap we are ALLOWED to know)
I mean REAL ADVANCED shit.
http://bleex.me.berkeley.edu/CV/Ryan/R1-BLEEX.jpg
http://www.newscientist.com/data/images/ns/cms/dn8275/dn8275-1_250.jpg
(and thats actually just crap we are ALLOWED to know)