Bakura said:
And before you say" the marines and army officers do it" that is because they just finished a mission and happy that they are still alive.
Yes yes, because those Officers were in such terrible fears of their lives when they laughed and heckled at those militants they engaged in the air from a good mile away. Seriously, have you ever watched one of those videos? Those guys on the ground have no idea what hit them, it is rather fascinating to watch from a technological standpoint.
Or you know, you could just google up one of the dozens upon dozens of videos of Marines and Soldiers calling in artillery and airstrikes on targets and listen to some of the things they say when they watch it come in. Granted this is just what you can find on the internet, my personal experience with my friends who have come back is much more explicit on how they feel, but that is anecdotal and we will not go there.
Sabirah said:
I can see somebody trivializing an actual death where real people died is if they are sociopaths or teenage boys with severe aggression issues.
And I am neither, I just care little for the deaths of the enemies of a country that I personally hold dear and is an ally of my country. I have nothing but respect for the Israeli's that died during the Six Day War. I do not feel the need to show the same respect to an enemy that I had no respect for to begin with.
Besides, I simply said a few short sentences, it is not as if I droned and on and on about how glad I was that they got absolutely smashed. To be perfectly honest, I was not taking the conversation very serious. I look back fondly on something that I see as a great victory, it is something I can joke around about. You see it as a travesty and a crime. That is the difference here between us.
My feelings on the subject of war and death are quite well known here. I have the greatest respect for the sacrifices that our servicemen/women, and allies make. The deaths of our enemies are of less of a concern to me. I would not trade a single Marine, Soldier, Airman, or Sailor, for a thousand Iraqi or Afghani civilians.
Are you familiar with the indoctrination and culture American troops are exposed to on a regular basis? There are a few good psychology papers written on it that you can google up. Becoming friends with a many enlisted Marines or Soldiers will also get you the same taste though. Hadji is not just a popular racial slur, it also helps remove the human element from the people they have to fight. When you remove the human element from something, it makes it easier to take its life.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_qzEY8R3rU[/youtube]
Note the laughter, applause, and cheers of approval from his fellow Marines at the 3:15 mark in the video. I posted the lyrics from that section below.
[spoiler:0d0de44ce9]So I grabbed her little sister, and pulled her in front of me.
As the bullets began to fly
The blood sprayed from between her eyes
And then I laughed maniacally
Then I hid behind the TV
And I locked and loaded my M-16
And I blew those little f*ckers to eternity.
And I said…
Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad
Sherpa Sherpa Bak Allah
They should have known they were f*ckin’ with a Marine.[/spoiler:0d0de44ce9]
Sabirah said:
Say I set up a blog called "firang watch" where me and a team of people spent all our waking time talking about the evils of white people and western culture. People would think I'm a racist. But nope, not racist to do that to Muslims, we're all just evil towelheads.
Well yes, if you did it only towards Caucasians, sure. The website is not even called "Islam Watch" or "Muslim Watch". It is called "Jihad Watch". I am pretty sure I do not need to explain to you the definition of Jihad.
The things that the website highlights are not things that should be hid. There is no reason to just let it pass by and brush it off. When thousands rally at a Muslim Brotherhood demonstration in Egypt and shout "One Day We Will Kill all Jews" and " “Tel Aviv, Tel Aviv: Judgment Day has come,. The peoples of the world and their leaders should take heed and be prepared to address such concerns. Websites such as Jihad Watch spread that message to the people, and I am thankful because it helps people like me get the word out to the masses with little to no effort on individual part.
Ilosar said:
Who the hell cares? Yes, Israel won this war, and a few others, by a pretty wide margin. Nobody disputed it, however. it's like you just to rub it in people's face for no good reason. it doesn't prove any sort of point. I don't care how genius it was from a military standpoint. ''Yay, we beat them evil muslims!'' Big friggin deal.
I am biased, there is no denying that. And sometimes I do get caught up in such things. It is not as if I have not said anything that the other side of the fence has not said about their victories if not worse. You can go and read some of the former Middle Eastern threads we have had here, they can sling it just as much as I do.
For the most part though, on these forums a staunch pro-Israeli stance is in the minority. Which is fine, I have no interest in winning anyone over.
.Pixote. said:
I wouldn't be so cocky, your southern neighbor has thrown its democratic votes behind 2 right-wing Islamic parties, one moderate, the other not so. If their brothers in Iran develop Nuclear weapons, and feel generous with their new Egyptian allies, Israel might be in a very difficult position.
Egypt = 81,200,000 and Israel = 7,798,600
Oh trust me, I know. The overall situation is quite grim for sure. I feel pretty bad for the Liberal college aged kids who got the initial ball rolling on the Arab Spring movements. Does everyone remember way back in the day before these were violent uprisings? When it was just the "Twitter Revoultion?".
There was a good BBC article about it the other day actually. Talking about how that initial aspect had been completely forgotten by this point. The attention seized by religious fanatics who want to cast the dark shadow of extremist Islam over the country. Talks have raised in Egypt about that same ole song and dance. In particular that one spoke of possibility limiting the rights of women being able to drive and all that foolishness, sad for sure.
All is not bleak though, times have changed and Israel will never stand alone if there was a true attack against her. Could you imagine the fury of the Western world that would descend upon the Middle East if Nuclear Weapons were used against Israel?
There is a lot of finger pointing and tough talk towards Israel from the current administration. I don't buy into it as much though, if Israel was threatened, we would be there to defend her. Joe Biden said it best:
"I am a Zionist," "You don't have to be a Jew to be a Zionist." Truer words have never been spoken.
Or what about the talks back in the day of Hillary Clinton's promise to "Obliterate Iran" should it use nuclear weapons against Israel? That in its self is one of the greatest deterrent's there is. The promise that if nuclear weapons are used in aggression against Israel, that the United States will retaliate with our own arsenal.
Mind you this was coming from a democrat. Imagine what would happen if this comes to pass when a Republican takes office again. The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are winding down. The idea of putting boots on the ground to defend our allies and interest in Israel is not a far stretch in the next decade if things become unfriendly for them.
Not to say that Israel is not perfectly capable of taking care of it's self. They are one of the worlds strongest military powers in the world. Virtually all Israeli citizens of age have military experience, with few exceptions. Their Air Force is second to only a select few nations and would easily rule the skies in any conflict with a surrounding neighbor.
In the completely unlikely scenario that the West abandoned them and they face annihilation like so many Muslim fanatics desire, they have enough chemical,biological, and nuclear weapons to utterly decimate the entire region. That is not even an exaggeration, they have the capability to kill millions. State of the art aircraft, nuclear submarines supplied by Germany, and one of the most advanced ballistic missiles in the region all serve as delivery systems.
The Jericho 3 will give Israel nuclear strike capabilities within the entire Middle East. In the advent of another Israeli-Arab war, the Jericho 3 will provide a deterrent against a possible nuclear attack. It will also provide Israel a last option to prevent being overrun and will likely secure U.S. military aid, as the U.S. government will have a strong desire to advert a nuclear war in the region. The range of the Jericho 3 also provides an extremely high impact speed for nearby targets, enabling it to avoid any Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) defenses that may develop in the immediate region.
Do not worry about Israels fate, you should worry about the fate of the millions surrounding Israel should she ever have to take a last stand. Thankfully that will not happen, The West will be there if it comes to that.
. It depresses me to see all those people going down the racism path simply because they do not have a history of immigration, then make us out to be the bad ones and all in some weird conspiracy to kill all white people.
. Although I do think it is getting better in the United States in an inverse proportion to the news from Europe my friend Anjali tells me about. I think the worst bit is how they try and get us to assimilate (a lot of us Indians have to become hip hop girl wannabes) into a culture that some of us don't want to.
Who knew. Thank;s for that out of left field statement.
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