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http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/15/us/boston-marathon-explosions/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/15/us/boston-marathon-explosions/index.html
Bombs over Boston
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GrassHurtsPeople
First time out of the vault
You live near Boston too? Ave, Massachusetts Brother!
But in all seriousness, this is pretty bad. It's unfortunate that some people would plot to destroy something so innocent. What's going to be worse though is how the media will capitalize on this issue, I don't even want to turn on the T.V.
But in all seriousness, this is pretty bad. It's unfortunate that some people would plot to destroy something so innocent. What's going to be worse though is how the media will capitalize on this issue, I don't even want to turn on the T.V.
Terrible news.
Typical that Mobucks primarily makes it all about himself again, though.
Typical that Mobucks primarily makes it all about himself again, though.
GrassHurtsPeople said:
Dirty Dorchester. Anyway I agree on the media issue. It's why I don't have a TV in the first place. I found out from my sister calling me because she heard explosions.
This is the last thing the U.S. needs. Thankfully it wasn't nearly as bad as it could have been. I'm mostly worried about how events like this slow things down through increased "security" and stuff. Thats the major effect IMO.
Jebus said:
Of Course!
I feel sorry for the people who have been injured by the explosions in Boston.
Terrorism is a horrific act it targets the people who are least likely to be able to defend themselves, and there is no excuse for directly targeting civilians in any way shape or form.
I would with all due amounts of "Get sodomised" like to wish the perpetrators and supporters a long spell in a small cell with a psychopath.
Terrorism is a horrific act it targets the people who are least likely to be able to defend themselves, and there is no excuse for directly targeting civilians in any way shape or form.
I would with all due amounts of "Get sodomised" like to wish the perpetrators and supporters a long spell in a small cell with a psychopath.
Surf Solar
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Here we go again. :S
My condolences to the victims and their families. That's quite a fucked up thing (seen some live pictures of a guy that got his legs blown off, not a pretty sight.. :/ )
For anyone who's interested
Boston Police/EMS/Fire Radio
Pretty interesting, massive operation underway (understandable) lots of suspect packages located and being disarmed, plus a suspect has been stopped and handcuffed on Boston Commons, none of this released to the press yet.
Boston Police/EMS/Fire Radio
Pretty interesting, massive operation underway (understandable) lots of suspect packages located and being disarmed, plus a suspect has been stopped and handcuffed on Boston Commons, none of this released to the press yet.
My word that's moronic if true, this was most likely a domestic indecent from what I have been reading (major news sites), and not connected to middle east fruits.
Lot's of the images I have seen look like the ones from the 99 bombings in London by David Copeland, Domestic terrorists are the worst they have a half baked hate that hurts not only the object / objects of hate they have "splash" damage and hurt the target who is normally innocent and others who just happen to be in close proximity.
Lot's of the images I have seen look like the ones from the 99 bombings in London by David Copeland, Domestic terrorists are the worst they have a half baked hate that hurts not only the object / objects of hate they have "splash" damage and hurt the target who is normally innocent and others who just happen to be in close proximity.
Dammit, I didn't say the political affiliation but going of the news reports I have seen and my own personal understanding it smacks of a domestic attack not one carried out by foreign entities.
Domestic attacks normally focus on, crowds of people, gatherings of the uninformed masses to make a point.
Attacks by external groups, tend to focus on symbols of the victim. Embassy, Military bases & cultural symbols as a statement.
The problem with most domestic terrorists is they have little defined logic, especially when it comes to target selection I am not saying the political ones are not incapable of bombing civilian targets (Warrington Bombing) but the majority of domestic attacks are carried out to prove a point, not to strike directly at the heart of the enemy.
For instance, a lot of Irish Americans sent flowers to many attacks carried out by the IRA in the 60's /70's / 80's/ 90's, but alot of the same people where donors to the Irish American League who funneled funds to the IRA and other groups who not only attacked viable targets such as military bases, but civilian targets and when the money dried up around 2000 the former "Freedom fighters" turned into criminal gangs with military grade weapons, who flooded Ireland with Drugs and cheep weapons.
My point with this?
Well, for a while it looked like there was a genuine political point in the conflict, and a real lasting resolution, serious weapons hangovers where carried out etc (an not just the old / unusable handed over). But then the IRA members who got used to money flowing in got involved and turned the Political army they had into a gang and not only attacked the old guard, but any one who encroached on the Drug an Money laundering operations they had.
Domestic terror operations are never always populated by "real" freedom fighters, most of the time they fill there ranks with any psychopath who has no qualms about maiming, tourcherings or killings as long as he can profit from it.
To return to the IRA example of domestic Terror for a moment. Sadly a awful lot of people tend to believe the "Hollywood" idea of a Terrorist for example:
They think of old Shamus who likes a pint of Guinness who was best mates with Michel Collins with a big warm smile on his face, who would give a bomb or gun to younger man to do what he can't as he is a old man..... But in reality most members where from street gangs recruited from the most deprived areas of the town, who where given a little hope an aspiration, but the local "BIG" man the guy with the flash car, money an power says "Oi you lad do this for me" and starts recruiting him into the "IRA" most of the jobs are moving a bag cross town, then he say's this is all for the "IRA" we have more jobs prove your worth you'll be a hero to all of Ireland etc. 90% of the time they where moving drugs or weapons to wipe out a non IRA gang, then when the political side the true believers started to deal forgot the politics and just profiteered selling guns, drugs etc they where doing it already an now we don't have to give for the cause.
They where the most violent psychopaths, who would do anything as long as they felt they stood to gain in any way shape or form, some did it for ideology, some do it for personal power, but domestic terrorism is always the most destructive, this is true in Asia, Europe, North America, South America and the local people are always the biggest loser.
Domestic attacks normally focus on, crowds of people, gatherings of the uninformed masses to make a point.
Attacks by external groups, tend to focus on symbols of the victim. Embassy, Military bases & cultural symbols as a statement.
The problem with most domestic terrorists is they have little defined logic, especially when it comes to target selection I am not saying the political ones are not incapable of bombing civilian targets (Warrington Bombing) but the majority of domestic attacks are carried out to prove a point, not to strike directly at the heart of the enemy.
For instance, a lot of Irish Americans sent flowers to many attacks carried out by the IRA in the 60's /70's / 80's/ 90's, but alot of the same people where donors to the Irish American League who funneled funds to the IRA and other groups who not only attacked viable targets such as military bases, but civilian targets and when the money dried up around 2000 the former "Freedom fighters" turned into criminal gangs with military grade weapons, who flooded Ireland with Drugs and cheep weapons.
My point with this?
Well, for a while it looked like there was a genuine political point in the conflict, and a real lasting resolution, serious weapons hangovers where carried out etc (an not just the old / unusable handed over). But then the IRA members who got used to money flowing in got involved and turned the Political army they had into a gang and not only attacked the old guard, but any one who encroached on the Drug an Money laundering operations they had.
Domestic terror operations are never always populated by "real" freedom fighters, most of the time they fill there ranks with any psychopath who has no qualms about maiming, tourcherings or killings as long as he can profit from it.
To return to the IRA example of domestic Terror for a moment. Sadly a awful lot of people tend to believe the "Hollywood" idea of a Terrorist for example:
They think of old Shamus who likes a pint of Guinness who was best mates with Michel Collins with a big warm smile on his face, who would give a bomb or gun to younger man to do what he can't as he is a old man..... But in reality most members where from street gangs recruited from the most deprived areas of the town, who where given a little hope an aspiration, but the local "BIG" man the guy with the flash car, money an power says "Oi you lad do this for me" and starts recruiting him into the "IRA" most of the jobs are moving a bag cross town, then he say's this is all for the "IRA" we have more jobs prove your worth you'll be a hero to all of Ireland etc. 90% of the time they where moving drugs or weapons to wipe out a non IRA gang, then when the political side the true believers started to deal forgot the politics and just profiteered selling guns, drugs etc they where doing it already an now we don't have to give for the cause.
They where the most violent psychopaths, who would do anything as long as they felt they stood to gain in any way shape or form, some did it for ideology, some do it for personal power, but domestic terrorism is always the most destructive, this is true in Asia, Europe, North America, South America and the local people are always the biggest loser.
DammitBoy said:
Possibly Debunked,
Boston PD confirmed that they haven't got anyone under guard or officially in custody - comments below state differently mind - I could understand the police not wanting to release certain information.
New York Post was the first to break that story and also managed to exaggerate the number of dead (we're looking at 3 - they stated 12.)
On the radio link I posted it was reported a man was detain on Boston Commons but he wasn't a Saudi National.
AskWazzup
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
I can never understand why the casual, innocent bystanders are always the main target, be it terrorists, or domestic psychopath. Blowing someone up is a terrible act, but if you're committed, why not blow up some greedy, corrupt institution. And blowing up children, now that is just sad, the fuck is wrong with these fools.
DammitBoy said:
Really, DB? DEM AYRABZ?
AskWazzup said:
Because that's the point of terror. You strike fear into the hearts of the civilian populace, the powerbase of the governments and corporations, in an effort to undermine support for what you don't like.
The Dark Knight, while not the smartest movie out there (Nolan's treatment of his audience as illiterate morons is to blame), also points out one thing: if you kill soldiers, policemen, politicians, it makes sense. It doesn't have quite the same impact as targeting the common folk, which triggers panic and paranoia.
Oh, and it's also infinitely easier to blow up an orphanage than a federal building.
AskWazzup
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
34thcell said:
I wasn't exactly suggesting to blow something up, but tried to reason from that perspective when someone that has his not very bright mind made up, could at least try to score, where he might actually hit something that is a part of the problem, whatever problem that may be.
Tagaziel said:
I think it has the opposite effect of bringing people together and uniting them. I'm not a great historian, but i can't recall many cases where this strategy was very effective. Of course dropping down an atomic bomb is in another category.
AskWazzup said:
Great, now terrorists all over the world are writing that down in their little notebook. You just ruined everything for everyone.
AskWazzup
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
Jebus said:
I'm sorry.
The New York Post was the only outlet reporting this, and it was immediately debunked and denied. -- which you should have known, had you checked more than one news source or waited for about five minutes. No one's in custody now, either.DammitBoy said:
Though to be fair, it being a Muslim extremist terrorist attack is the most likely option. Obviously.
Worked fine for 1940s/50s Israel, was semi-effective for late 19th/early 20th century Ireland, you could argue the French Revolution was partly fueled by terrorism, many colonized groups used terrorism to free themselves from colonists with varying degrees of success, and then there's the Cuban revolution, too. I'm probably forgetting a bunch of instances, too.AskWazzup said:
So, actually, terrorism has been successful quite often, and when you're a small group of people against a large army it is probably the most effective way to wage war.