Can the Great Khans be called a 'tribe'?

Can the Great Khans be called a 'tribe'?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 14 93.3%

  • No.

    Votes: 1 6.7%
  • Total voters
    15
I think they gradually develop into a tribe and become their own thing. I do think it should be noted that to be actual tribal-tribals requires a sense of history and shared purpose which makes it their "nation" so to speak.

They're tribals, definitely, in New Vegas.

But before?

Debatable.
 
CT Phipps said:
They're tribals, definitely, in New Vegas.

But before?

Debatable.
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Damn it, why does the guy I'm arguing have to explain my position?

I believe that in Fallout 1 (and 2 by extension) they are not a tribe. By Fallout New Vegas, yes they are without a doubt a tribe.
 
Dr Fallout said:
Damn it, why does the guy I'm arguing have to explain my position?

I believe that in Fallout 1 (and 2 by extension) they are not a tribe. By Fallout New Vegas, yes they are without a doubt a tribe.
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If it's any consolation, in the other thread, I just mentioned you'd convinced me I was wrong. :)
 
SarcasticGoodGuy said:
NV definitely, but before this they were just "developing" so to speak.
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Dr Fallout said:
I believe that in Fallout 1 (and 2 by extension) they are not a tribe.
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CT Phipps said:
I do think it should be noted that to be actual tribal-tribals requires a sense of history and shared purpose which makes it their "nation" so to speak.
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Since when has having a highly, or rather a somewhat, developed culture been a qualifying feature of a tribe?

Tribe: A social division in a traditional society consisting of families or communities linked by social, economic, religious, or blood ties, with a common culture and dialect, typically having a recognized leader.
Why doesn't this fit the original Khans? They had social, economic, blood and cultural ties as well as a recognized leader.
 
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Sneering Imperialist provides a 15% damage boost and a 1.25x multiplier to the player character's V.A.T.S. chance-to-hit when attacking members of certain groups, such as tribals, raiders, Fiends, and Great Khans.
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Izak said:
Why doesn't this fit the original Khans? They had social, economic, blood and cultural ties as well as a recognized leader.
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So the Mafia is a tribe? So the massive amounts of family run criminal gangs are tribes? So my family is a tribe? You're stretching the definition to cover almost everything.
 
Dr Fallout said:
So the Mafia is a tribe? So the massive amounts of family run criminal gangs are tribes? So my family is a tribe? You're stretching the definition to cover almost everything.
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"We wear more clothes than them and understand more about technology, but we're still a tribe, a linked family of families." - Joshua Graham.
 
And the mafia dont have a complex culture? Because according to your assertions, they aren't a tribe.

Do me a favor and clearly list out the parameters that a community must meet to qualify as a tribe, in your mind.
 
Crossfire said:
And the mafia dont have a complex culture? Because according to your assertions, they aren't a tribe.

Do me a favor and clearly list out the parameters that a community must meet to qualify as a tribe, in your mind.
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They do have one, but they're not considered a tribe.

But here's an interesting definition I agree with.

' A tribe is a group of distinct people, dependent on their land for their livelihood, who are largely self-sufficient, and not integrated into the national society.'

But otherwise the term tribe is a fairly contested term, and so it depends on who's using it. There's no clear definition of a tribe, as there is no clear definition of an RPG.
 
Dr Fallout said:
They do have one, but they're not considered a tribe.

But here's an interesting definition I agree with.

' A tribe is a group of distinct people, dependent on their land for their livelihood, who are largely self-sufficient, and not integrated into the national society.'

But otherwise the term tribe is a fairly contested term, and so it depends on who's using it. There's no clear definition of a tribe, as there is no clear definition of an RPG.
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Its so contested because it's a very loose term with vast applicability.

Perhaps we should agree to disagree on this one? I feel like we're just going around in circles at this point.
 
I think the tribal identity was forged from all the hardships the Khans faced between Fallout 2 and New Vegas. I think that crucible was what turned a raider gang into more then just that.
 
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Crossfire said:
Its so contested because it's a very loose term with vast applicability.

Perhaps we should agree to disagree on this one? I feel like we're just going around in circles at this point.
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I agree. According to one very open definition they're a tribe, according to another (they aren't self sufficient and they certainly don't rely on the land) they're not.
 
Dr Fallout said:
You're stretching the definition to cover almost everything.
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I'm not stretching the definition, that IS the definition and they fit it perfectly.
And yes, to answer your question. If your family, or the mafia, or whatever weren't part of society at large you'd be a tribe.
Dr Fallout said:
A tribe is a group of distinct people, dependent on their land for their livelihood, who are largely self-sufficient, and not integrated into the national society.
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Why wouldn't the Khans from 1 and 2 fit that, anyway? They're a group of distinct people, largely self-sufficient that aren't integrated to national society. They don't fit the land bit but they don't live off the land in New Vegas either.
Dr Fallout said:
they aren't self sufficient and they certainly don't rely on the land
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They aren't self sufficient in any of the games, though if they ever were it would've been in Fallout 2, not New Vegas.
 
Izak said:
I'm not stretching the definition, that IS the definition and they fit it perfectly.
And yes, to answer your question. If your family, or the mafia, or whatever weren't part of society at large you'd be a tribe.
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Pretty much everything outside of society would fit that definition, so it's much too broad.

Izak said:
Why wouldn't the Khans from 1 and 2 fit that, anyway? They're a group of distinct people, largely self-sufficient that aren't integrated to national society. They don't fit the land bit but they don't live off the land in New Vegas either.
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They aren't, they rely on raiding others and stealing. That's not self sufficiency. But in New Vegas they have a unique culture that's not merely being raiders.

Izak said:
They aren't self sufficient in any of the games, though if they ever were it would've been in Fallout 2, not New Vegas.
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Izak said:
They're a group of distinct people, largely self-sufficient that aren't integrated to national society.
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jackie-chan-wtf
 
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