Fallout Revelation Blues: Burham Springs Demo Release

[RoosterCole]

What a bullshit plot device.
It was probably done because the production team didn't want the NCR to be around and shift the setting back to Fallout 1 standards.
And I heard the Enclave is now back and operating in the open.
So basically the setting has been made to be like Fallout 3.

yeah somehow palpatine returned
i feel bad for the enclave they are a twisted version of what they supposed to be but still well written in fallout 2 and feel like humans but fallout nv supported that now they are just overused they can't rest in peace
i think you should watch it so you can form your own opinion i would like to read it

 

[Golbolco]

That’s easier said than done. The two timelines are not truly compatible and share many characters that are almost the same but not quite. Van Buren’s Legion is more technologically advanced than the one in New Vegas. Speaking of that place, it’s not even mentioned in Van Buren, raising questions about its existence or importance. I think it was only mentioned once in Fallout 1, simply referred to as 'Vegas.' Additionally, some major events that occurred in Van Buren never happened in the official timeline, particularly regarding San Francisco and Shady Sands.

We tried to consolidate the timelines for Fallout Yesterday back in 2014 but failed. There were lots of issues but you’re welcome to try of course.

To quote Tagaziel, an ex-admin of Fallout wiki:

“Trying to reconcile Van Buren and New Vegas, which are mutually exclusive, is an exercise in futility. The sooner you realize that, the better.”

It's more than completely doable, all that limits people is imagination and willingness to be faithful to either source. There must be a level of compromise, but that is easy.

Unfortunately, the Fallout fandom's creativity coffers have been drained as of late, but you will find many ideas and projects on this forum and elsewhere that rewrite NV to fit with VB or rewrite VB to fit with NV. I'll offer my own when it's ready.

 

[hexer]

It's more than completely doable, all that limits people is imagination and willingness to be faithful to either source. There must be a level of compromise, but that is easy.

Unfortunately, the Fallout fandom's creativity coffers have been drained as of late, but you will find many ideas and projects on this forum and elsewhere that rewrite NV to fit with VB or rewrite VB to fit with NV. I'll offer my own when it's ready.

Of course it’a doable if you make compromises as you said. I was talking about merging the two timelines without making any changes to them. Not possible unless you like paradoxes.

 

[Golbolco]

Of course it’a doable if you make compromises as you said. I was talking about merging the two timelines without making any changes to them. Not possible unless you like paradoxes.

Even this is possible and even acceptable. Paradoxes and internal contradictions are forgiveable with the use of a framing device.

I also take issue with your next post, Hexer:

What I find most puzzling is how he managed to resolve the biggest issue of them all. The fact that the events of Van Buren lead into a new nuclear apocalypse.

I don't believe this to be a fact any more than it is a fact that one outcome of Fallout 1 results in a thousand-year dark age inflicted by a vengeful Brotherhood of Steel. As far as I know, it is true that there is only one BOMB-001 ending and nukes are stated to always launch, but where? If it's not the game world (you can avoid endings where towns get nuked) and it's not New California since it's not necessarily stated to be, then does it matter to the player?


Even if we accept that nukes do make touchdown, @RoosterCole 's screenshot of Chris Avellone includes a statement that elements of Van Buren's aftermath do make it into New Vegas with the NCR destabilizing.

If what Chris Avellone intended was for the NCR to increasingly lose control to a merchant mafia while gangs and raiders run roughshod, then that necessitates that the NCR was not destroyed by nukes, merely set back. We can even see that although the circumstances were different, the NCR is victim to a nuclear detonation within the story of New Vegas: that's the backstory for the Divide. So I think that the bones are already here for reconciliation if New Vegas is designed based on ideas that were meant to go into Van Buren's sequel. It solidifies the case that Van Buren is the lost chapter in the Fallout narrative.

 

[hexer]

It solidifies the case that Van Buren is the lost chapter in the Fallout narrative.

If Van Buren's lead writer says that the NCR canonically disappears at the end of it, then I'm going with that. Anyways, trying to merge two different timelines, from two different development teams, BIS and Bethesda, into a single one is always going to be an exercise in heavy compromises.

 

[Golbolco]

If Van Buren's lead writer says that the NCR canonically disappears at the end of it, then I'm going with that. Anyways, trying to merge two different timelines, from two different development teams, BIS and Bethesda, into a single one is always going to be an exercise in heavy compromises.

Doesn't seem like he said that. Even in the screenshot you posted, he notes that he didn't want to destroy the NCR 100%.