Formula 1 2013

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After a pretty inconclusive winter testing it looked like the top 5 teams were closer than usual, with all of them setting fastest times in Barcelona during february and march, with some rainy days making it hard to make predictions.

Driver changes from 2012 include Hamilton going from McLaren to Mercedes, Hulkenberg to Sauber, Perez to McLaren, and we've got a big bunch of rookies this year: Bottas at Williams, Gutierrez at Sauber, Bianchi in at Marussia as Razia's funding went AWOL, van der Garde in at Caterham and Chilton at Marussia. Sutil is back in the Force India after his Chinese brawl-induced absence last year.

Mercedes looked very strong in qualifying, also Red Bull came to the front in a big way and were immediately accused of sandbagging in testing since they didn't set very fast times at Barcelona. A pretty weird and exciting qualifying in the end, ending with an ominous Red Bull front row lockout. And McLaren screwing Perez with a seriously stupid tire call in Q2.

But it turned out the Red Bull ate it's tyres too quickly in the cold in Melbourne. Both Ferrari and Red Bull look really fast but both perhaps are a bit hard on their tires, while Kimi managed to go reasonably quick for many more laps on the medium compund to take the victory. Webber making his traditional terrible get-away off the grid, he's really not good at that. Alonso nailing Sutil through turn 1 was pretty great. Hamilton's defending is overly aggressive in my opinion, he really hates giving up a position that guy, ruining his tyres in the process.

Perfect result for me, with my fav driver winning, and a pretty great race with lots of action among the top 5. Grid didn't reflect the race result at all, really, so cool. Too bad Rosberg didn't come through in Q3 and had to retire with electrical issues in the race. Guess the tires are playing games on the teams just like early last year, those super softs were truly shit!

What do you guys think of the season to come? Ferrari and RBR to pass Lotus later in the season in the development race? Will it finally be Alonso's third WDC, Kimi's second or Vettel's fourth? Melbourne is a one-off result due to the odd characteristcs of the track? Lotus didn't look too good on the inters or wets to me, maybe they'll suffer if it's a rainy GP next week in Malaysia. RBR and Merc on the other hand both looked strong in the wet. How long will it take for McLaren to get their disastrous car up to speed?

I'm pretty impressed with Bianchi thus far, if he can keep it up he should be one of the first to move out of the backmarker teams and into a front running team. Massa seems much more comfortable this year too, good for him. Impressive return from Sutil, too. Too bad for him the Super Softs screwed him hard at the end.
 
That race was awesome, it's good to see Kimi at his best. Too bad there was no radio call...

Sutil was pretty damn great, I was surprised to see how long his tyres lasted, and he kept Vettel off him (moar Vettel can't pass proof). Alonso's intelligence showed up yet again, allowing him to make that move on Sutil and enabling him to chase Kimi. And good for Massa for out qualifying Alonso, it's good to see him back in form because he's pretty damn fast.

Hamilton's defense was decent this time around, he didn't over do it, in my opinion, as he's done in the past, I think he locked up because his tyres were done anyway. I really really hope McLaren doesn't catch up. Fuck Jenson Button, that guy is a total douche. I prefer Hamilton over Button. That ought to say something lol.
 
I hate Formula 1 in 2013...it's so bloody sanitized. It could be a Playstation game being broadcast for all I know. Take me back to the 1950s, driving was life and death, and not how fancy your sideburns look (reference to Hamilton).

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Now these are real sideburns. :P

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You must have missed the crash at Spa last year.

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Button says that he's drawing strength from Alonso's championship battle last year to keep hoping for good results this year. Because he's as good as Alonso... in his own mind.


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Kimi for a second win this weekend? Ferrari's looking quick too, so I guess I wouldn't discount either driver, and Vettel to round off the podium.
 
Kimi looks stronger in the wet/drying up conditions here, Vettel right there as well, but still concerned about tire wear.

So yeah, the favourites for the podium seem to resemble the last one, with Massa looking ready to pounce if anyone gets in trouble.

Mercs seem more off it than last week?
 
They do, or maybe they just got on with their program and are leaving the quick laps in for tomorrow. I like this race, I'm gonna have to get up at 4am to catch it.
 
What is this bullshit? Are they competing at being the biggest pussy here or what? Ross Brawn, man, what the fuck? Same for Red Bull. I couldn't believe what I was hearing on that radio.

Nico should've passed. He will never be a champion if he accepts that kind of crap.

Or what? Should drivers use up too much fuel to get ahead of their team mate and then just go "oh, no we're coasting on the tyres now, can't pass anymore, not safe".

I get that they're careful with the tyres, but when there's a, quote, "massive gap" behind, then why not.
 
Nico Should have been allowed to pass for sure, hearing him lift off that bad off a corner was just brutal. If Hamilton was so fucking slow, they should have just told him to move the fuck over, plenty of spcae to him to pass.

Red Bull... I'm a little more critical of that one... Mark had turned the engine down because apparently he was reassured twice that Vettel was going to comply. Then going into the pits suddenly a 5s gap is reduced and Vettel almost gets both of the killed. What the fuck is that shit?

I have no problem with the fact that he chose to ignore team orders. I have a problem with this bullshit excuse "I didn't know the orders were given" Fuck that. If you want to be an asshole, be an asshole, but expect to have to deal with all the consequences thereof. Fucking Vettel
 
Yeah, why apologize and make up excuses that don't make sense? Just make your decision and stick with it, that interview was weeeiird.

Most awkward podium ever, no one wanted to be where they were :p

At least Hamilton seemed legitimately awkward with not letting Nico through, so good on him I guess, but if he really felt that way he should've just faked losing grip on the exit of the last turn and given the place up. Be a bro.

I don't understand that one anyway. Hamilton had used too much fuel, so he had to save. Nico didn't, but he is the one paying the price. Why favour one over the other at this stage either way, it's not like Hamilton has had a huge upper hand so far, and it'd be a premature call in any case. Sad if Merc are gonna rob us of seeing how Nico measures up to someone who people rate highly.
 
Well right now we know Nico 1: Hamilton: 0 - the result is kinda just meh, but for those who watch they know that Nico had the upper hand anyway. Good for him.

And yeah, everyone was pissed off on that podium... it was so awkward. I had fun when Webber pretty much slapped Marko in the face, his reply should be epic.
 
Oh F1 fans, I'm so proud to be one of you...

Webber runs out of fuel in Q2, que the conspiracy theories:

I believe in a coincidence every now and then, but I ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to believe the RBR problems that always materialize out of thin air against Mark Webber. The most amazing part is that he apparently hasn't caught on yet, or maybe he is nearly as spineless as Christian Horner.

So now after the pathetic antics of Malaysia and Vettel adding fuel to the fire saying "I would do it again", Horner is so freaking afraid of Webber taking out Vettel, that that have ENSURED Webber will be starting way back in the field..

Funny... the argument I have heard/read of why RBR can't sit Vettel out for a race as punishment is because they need the constructor points... yet if they had put daCosta with Webber this race, I bet they would score more points than this flippin' charade, and it would go a LONG WAY to earning some damn respect back to the team.

The only way I want to see RBR win anything this year is via Webber, and I've honestly never been a huge fan of his, just this team is really really SAD.

I am sick of this bunch of drink hustlers getting away with their schemes. As Mark said the Brat will be protected. this is the first time that I have disliked a team but I will admit freely that I find their lack of integrity and respect toward the sport to be over the top. How do they get away with such obvious non-sense?

They CAN'T fire Webber because Webber has a very good relationship with Mateshitz. Mateshitz would not approve of the firing of the Webber and would veto it. Therefore they have to undermine Webber from within, either to force him to resign or to make sure that he does not resign with them next year.

Well done red bull, you've seperated your drivers and reinforced Webbers no. 2 status. Thought you'd be a little less obvious about it but there you go.

Just... lols.

Anyway, hoping the merc eats tyres or something. If the Lotus is as kind as in Melbourne then Kimi is in a great place, but I doubt it is. Ferrari look very good, both on speed and deg.

Tyres are getting a bit silly, really. When they're going 5 seconds a lap slower than the feeder series to preserve material I think something has gone wrong.
 
ALONSO BABY!!

"Fernando - slow down"
"I'm not pushing..."
[posts fastest lap]

The tyres only lasting 5 laps is a joke, I mean it's good to see 2-3 stops and all but them driving "slow" to maintain tyre integrity is pretty annoying. I want to see them push every single lap of that race...

Also, that red bull conspiracy theory is pretty lulzy. I'd be willing to bet nothing goes wrong with Mark's car this weekend.
 
Hehe good stuff from Fernando.

Yeah, it's not like RBR couldn't just tell Webber to sit out the rest of the season. They'd just have to pay him for doing nothing. When his wheel came off I was going "aww man this goan be good" in anticipation of the conspiracy nuts having a field day.
 
I'm surprised they didn't say that they were saying he was trying to aim the wheel at Vettel's car when the wheel almost hit his car.
 
This was one hectic race. Loved the Mclaren, Mercedes, Massa, Grosjean pack that battled for much of the distance. Shame about Alonso's DRS, I think he'd been up to fourth or fifth if they had just told him not to use it right away and didn't have to pit him again just to shut it.

Rosberg does some weird ass defending moves, never seen anyone go that extreme to keep the inside line I think, how much dirt does he pick up on those trips I wonder.
 
Too much to pick up any traction that's for sure, but that Merc is hard on its tyres so it was just a matter of time. RBR is awesome on the harder tyres, so it was probably going to be one of their races anyway. Kimi did well just to 2 stop, and the number of cars at the front fighting for wins is awesome.

Bahrain is still a shitty track though.
 
This season so far seems to be a driver's season, where individual skill looks like it has played a bigger part than some previous more car-dictated seasons, but maybe it's me being biased. What I mean is the finishers are a lot more mixed up in terms of constructor than what I've gotten used to from 2009-2012, more or less.

Qualifying seems to be a lot less relevant than usual so far, race pace and qualy pace very different.

I wonder if that's about to change when we go to Catalunya and Monaco for the next rounds, hard and harder in terms of overtaking. Lotus in particular may suffer if they are unable to get their car to work better with a strategy where the car is faster but has to stop more often. Otherwise it'll hinge on finding clear air, I suppose. Mclaren might suffer too, since their qualy has been rather lackluster. Merc might do better at Monaco if the situation remains the same, but the majority are likely to bring significant upgrades to Catalunya, so who knows.


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Sochi track layout, the next Tilke ring.

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Funnily enough I've been thinking about that there aren't really a lot of variation as far as first corners go. Most tracks have a fairly low-speed first corner, with the exception of Melbourne, which can be taken at some speed. Maybe Montreal, but it turns into a tighter right later. Maybe Silverstone. Maybe Japan.

This one looks like a rather extremely long straight with a kind of last corner in Brazil kink to it, or that final straight before the bus-stop chicane at Spa.

Might make for some spectacular starts, where get-away will really be crucial.

That's about the only positive I can take from it though, to be honest, and maybe that super long left hander. Lots of 90 degree turns from the looks of things.
 
Barcelona was awesome. Alonso went and pwned it all. Like a boss. Honestly, there's no equal for him in the past 3 seasons. I guess you could argue Vettel, but he has had a better car, etc.

Now Monaco, I'm thinking that Hamilton takes a win? His 1 lap pace is insane, and 1 lap the Merc seems to own it all.

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Sochi track doesn't impress me. It's hard to get excited at these Tilke rings. Though I guess he nailed Turkey, and CotA. This though, way too many slow corners, gimme a track with 2 solid 130Rs back to back, that'd kick serious ass.
 
Man what a shit race. People going around several seconds off pace to make it a one stopper. Good for Nico though, I guess, happy for him anyway.

Fucking Perez throwing his car down that hill time and time again only ever surviving because the vets move out of the way for him to avoid crashing, and incredibly enough he's rewarded for it. When Alonso had to let him through my gf was like "well great it's only a matter of time until he crashes with Kimi then". No surprises there.
 
Kimi managed that tenth place though, impressively enough.

Maybe they've outgrown Monaco? I don't think that Pirelli are going to be staying another year, this is getting annoying. And fucking Perez, if Alonso didn't cut the chicane they would have crashed. I'm glad Kimi said what he did, it's not like you can expect these vets just to move out of the way for you because you're too aggressive.
 
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