I just don't get the hate on NMA

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Mr_Womp

First time out of the vault
Now that title may be misinterpreted, now I've been lurking for a while now.
I mean I don't get why people shit on the nma community. You people have extremely valid reasons to dislike fallout 4, hell I agree because fallout 4 ... Is eh kinda fun but it is lacking in everything that made me thoroughly enjoy the previous fallouts.

What I mean by fun is if look past it being called a fallout but that only lasts at best one play through.

Back to nma community, from what I've seen you guys are awesome, but I guess- (yes semi-contradicting myself)- I kinda get the "hate" on this community. It's scary for intellectually inept people to converse in a proper manner.

So to sum up my rant, you guys are phenomenal, everyone else is scared of you.
On an ending note, fallout 4 hurt the rpg so bad I bought wasteland 2 dc, and I'm not too into isometric gameplay anymore but damn have I gotten into that game.
 
That's why I'm hoping it's not misinterpreted because I do mean that I prefer this community and it's logic over any other community. It's not scary really but people don't like any criticism especially if it's extremely valid but I digress, hope it's not taken a wrong way (don't know how it would be but anything seems possible nowadays) again awesome community and I may not be consistently active but I shan't disappear.
 
Mr_Womp said:
That's why I'm hoping it's not misinterpreted because I do mean that I prefer this community and it's logic over any other community. It's not scary really but people don't like any criticism especially if it's extremely valid but I digress, hope it's not taken a wrong way (don't know how it would be but anything seems possible nowadays) again awesome community and I may not be consistently active but I shan't disappear.
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Thanks again! Though don't be too nice, or we might think you're sucking up to us.
 
Well nice to meet ya, to prove yourself you must head to The Glow and retrieve the ancient holodisk..oh yeah and it's..uh radioactive.

Just kidding with you, it's nice to see someone else that knows that a game has flaws and criticizes it and not just another tantrum throwing troll getting angry at us for criticizing their favorite game.
 
Indeed welcome to the forums. NMA get's a bum rap for being the "forum of haters", but the some of the best discussion about FO comes from here. People just don't like NMA because they don't fall at the the alter of Bethesda and actively dish out fair criticism and points of Bethesda clearly questionable at best handling of the series.
 
There's really two things at work here.

The first is that there are a lot of people who construct their identities around what they choose to consume; that they are defined by their favorite TV series, their favorite video game company, or just the fact that they like to play video games. So something like "I am a fan of Fallout 3" becomes sort of a tribal identity, and people naturally revert to classical forms of tribalistic thinking so "people who say bad things about Fallout 3" are the enemies of your tribe and are actually attacking you personally. You can see another readily visible example of this in the people who argue about which console is the best, or the interminable PC vs. Console argument. So there are Bethfans who hate NMA because they feel personally attacked by stuff like "Fallout 3 is dumb." I mean, look at how angry some fans of games get when a woman has the temerity to point out "you know, a lot of video games could do a lot better presenting female characters" (I mean, even if that person is flat out wrong, who cares? It's just an opinion about fiction.)

The other is that NMA actually did earn a justified reputation as a pretty toxic place way back in the day. It was never as bad as the Codex, but no one will ever accuse the Codex community of being anything but toxic. I think NMA has over the last few years (at least since New Vegas came out) has calmed down a bit. This is likely a combination that varies from poster to poster of maturing/gaining perspective, the most awful people leaving/getting booted, the realization that Bethesda owning the license doesn't mean good Fallout games (like New Vegas) can't exist, just coming to terms with "no matter how mad we get at Bethesda, being mad won't help anything", the renaissance of old-school CRPGs we've seen of late, and the actual moral of New Vegas being "Letting go". I mean, I lurked here for years but only made an account this summer.

So a lot of people perceive NMA both as their enemy who has attacked them personally by saying mean things about their favorite game, and as a wretched hive of scum and villainy that was not necessarily a huge exaggeration from how it once was (but no longer really is.) It's understandable, but the trolls are just going to troll and get bored or banned, and the people who show up with an antagonistic stance that actually bother to listen and have a conversation will probably come to understand that most of the folks around here really aren't so bad.
 
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MercenarySnake said:
Well nice to meet ya, to prove yourself you must head to The Glow and retrieve the ancient holodisk..oh yeah and it's..uh radioactive.

Just kidding with you, it's nice to see someone else that knows that a game has flaws and criticizes it and not just another tantrum throwing troll getting angry at us for criticizing their favorite game.
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Actually we should keep the test, and the radiation instead is the vast discussions on the original Fallout's we have here and on Fallout 4. Trolls cannot survive that.
 
Dr Fallout said:
MercenarySnake said:
Well nice to meet ya, to prove yourself you must head to The Glow and retrieve the ancient holodisk..oh yeah and it's..uh radioactive.

Just kidding with you, it's nice to see someone else that knows that a game has flaws and criticizes it and not just another tantrum throwing troll getting angry at us for criticizing their favorite game.
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Actually we should keep the test, and the radiation instead is the vast discussions on the original Fallout's we have here and on Fallout 4. Trolls cannot survive that.
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You know, I like that idea. Should have questions based on the first two Fallouts for newcomers that sign up.
 
MercenarySnake said:
Dr Fallout said:
MercenarySnake said:
Well nice to meet ya, to prove yourself you must head to The Glow and retrieve the ancient holodisk..oh yeah and it's..uh radioactive.

Just kidding with you, it's nice to see someone else that knows that a game has flaws and criticizes it and not just another tantrum throwing troll getting angry at us for criticizing their favorite game.
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Actually we should keep the test, and the radiation instead is the vast discussions on the original Fallout's we have here and on Fallout 4. Trolls cannot survive that.
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You know, I like that idea. Should have questions based on the first two Fallouts for newcomers that sign up.
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Or on Fallout New Vegas.
 
Mr_Womp said:
It's scary for intellectually inept people to converse in a proper manner.
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Oh, you've just realised this? 'Grats. :clap:




Was being sarcastic. :razz: But guess what, that's a been a pattern throughout the history of mankind. People setting up a little community of their own to criticise a popular opinion - be it politics, science, entertainment or faith - can be found anywhere, anytime. For any reason. And then getting hit with disapproval by the majority who, unsurprisingly, approves of the popular opinion.

Even if the Van Buren, the proper Fallout 3 everyone wanted, got released instead - there will still be a little community that exists to chide on the differences between the original two and Van Buren. Probably wouldn't be the exact same community with the exact same people. Would be completely different. Probably wouldn't be the NMA we know today. But it would exist. And no matter what, there will always be a larger group to look down at it. As is the nature of society.

Basically? NMA could turn tail and love Bethesda's Fallout, and there would still be critics of NMA. It doesn't matter. Opinions beg for opposing thought. And we're on the Internet, so...
 
ZigzagPX4 said:
Mr_Womp said:
It's scary for intellectually inept people to converse in a proper manner.
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Oh, you've just realised this? 'Grats. :clap:




Was being sarcastic. :razz: But guess what, that's a been a pattern throughout the history of mankind. People setting up a little community of their own to criticise a popular opinion - be it politics, science, entertainment or faith - can be found anywhere, anytime. For any reason. And then getting hit with disapproval by the majority who, unsurprisingly, approves of the popular opinion.

Even if the Van Buren, the proper Fallout 3 everyone wanted, got released instead - there will still be a little community that exists to chide on the differences between the original two and Van Buren. Probably wouldn't be the exact same community with the exact same people. Would be completely different. Probably wouldn't be the NMA we know today. But it would exist. And no matter what, there will always be a larger group to look down at it. As is the nature of society.

Basically? NMA could turn tail and love Bethesda's Fallout, and there would still be critics of NMA. It doesn't matter. Opinions beg for opposing thought. And we're on the Internet, so...
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Caesar has a great discussion on this, with dialectics and thesis/anti-thesis.
 
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