If We Don't Talk About it It'll Go Away

Bradylama

So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
The more I think about it the more I honestly fear for the future of our lives and freedoms. Ron Paul won the MSNBC debate's online polls and came in 3rd place on Drudgereport. Despite this there's no mention of him in the mainstream media at all.

I sat there last night watching CNN Headline Prime host Glenn Beck pick out Paul's answer to the question of what major leadership decisions he's had to take as the worst answer of the night. Nevermind that the big talk is Giuliani's inability to define his abortion stance as crucifying his candidacy. The videos are all over youtube, so rather than sift through all of them for the specific questions here are all of Paul's statements. You'll note that when the question comes up he fumbles because he's a congressman and not in an actual leadership position. His job is to represent his district, not act as a leader, which is why he struggled to tie in his medical experience and then came away with citing his opposition to the war. What Glenn Beck did was nothing short of character assassination, and yes they cut off the clip right before he mentioned his opposition to Iraq.

Ron Paul is the only Republican candidate who opposes the war, and is perhaps the only candidate period who is proposing a withdrawal and an end to interventionist policy next to Gravel. Neither of them are being talked about and are the proverbial elephants in the room for the mainstream media. In response to Gravel attacking the other Democratic candidates for rattling sabers at Iran, The Daily Show likened him to a crazy old prospector. Yet despite the response Paul has received on the internet nobody wants to talk about him.

In this discussion on public television, all of the pundits made absolutely no mention of Ron Paul's anti-war platform, or his adamant opposition to the National ID Card, wanting to abolish the IRS and the Federal Reserve, or any other issues that resonated with the people who are supporting Paul online. They talk about a narrow orthodoxy among the candidates, say that nobody distinguished themselves, and that none of them would resonate with young voters (save Obama). None of them want to talk about the proverbial elephant in the room, Ron Paul. John McLaughlin had to slip in an endorsement for Paul at the end of the segment.

It's revolting. Whenever somebody comes up to the forefront of politics in order to speak the truth, like Paul and Gravel have done they are either ignored by the media, or treated as wide-eyed wing bats. Essentially the same thing which occurred to Ross Perot.

The media has hand-picked the candidates that we should vote for. From the Democrats it's Obama, Clinton, and Edwards (despite the character assassination they performed on him last time), and for the Republicans it's Giuliani, McCain, and Romney. All of them huge phoneys, and double-speaking political finks.

Don't believe me? Remember when Paul answered the question on ammending the constitution in order to allow foreign-born nationals to become president? Paul ended the statement by saying he supports the "original intent" and Chris Mathews can no longer hold back his contempt with an audible "oh God."

Consider this segment following the debates. First I'd also like to note no mention of Paul's understanding of why Republicans did poorly in the last elections (Iraq). Towards the end of the segment, however, Keith Olbermann interrupts with an outburst of "Who is in the lead!?" That outburst was clearly in regards to the poll results, citing Ron Paul as the winner of the debate which as of the time of my posting this entry is still the highest rated. A lead position met with forced laughter from those surrounding Olbermann.

It's not just that they don't think he will win, the media doesn't want Ron Paul to win. Men like Paul and Gravel shake up the establishment, and nothing scares the shit out of cronyist corporations more than when men who can't be bought run for a position of authority. The Republican National Congress itself funds a man to run against Paul in his own district for Galveston in every election, and despite that he's been elected to 10 consecutive terms.

Men like Paul and Gravel, men who understand the values of personal freedom and the danger of foreign entrapment are the ones we need in the White House so desperately. Don't get wrapped up in Paul's supporting of the Gold Standard or Gravel's support of universal healthcare. In the long run they're minor issues compared to our personal freedoms and the safety of serving men and women abroad.

Paul/Gravel '08.
 
Well, if he isn't going to be swayed by our capitalist overlords, then it looks like I may not cast my first vote as a Democrat...
 
that reporter dude looks totally evil, and he speaks the words of the devil!

Who's winning this thing?
 
Bradylama said:
wanting to abolish the IRS and the Federal Reserve, or any other issues that resonated with the people who are supporting Paul online

Oh yeah, who would not like to see the IRS go? :D

But seriously, man, what the heck? So the guy says he will dismantle the taxing and central banking system (which is fucking retarded to begin with) and people want to go vote for him? I mean, we have this Korwin-Mikke guy back here, of the same caliber, but at least no one takes him seriously...
 
Part of the problem I think are prevailing mores, and the way the opposition presents itself. The problem with anti-statists and Gold Bugs isn't that they're necessarily wrong, but that they have a hard time presenting their theories without coming across as moonbats. I didn't want to watch Freedom to Fascism because it was presented mostly by people who are moonbats in a particularly moonbatty way, and the introduction to the film could've left out the part about Rockefeller and the bankers conspiring to create the Fed for later when people had accepted the evidence of the system's immorality.

The person who sold me on abolishing the Fed and got me to go back and watch Freedom to Fascism is Ron Paul, and I think he did the same thing during the debate. He used non-confrontational language, came off as legitimately sincere, and behaved intellectually serious. He came off as neither a moonbat or humorous, which is why the media has remained silent on him while poking jibes at Gravel. Ron Paul is making sense and it scares them shitless.
 
if you ask me thats shameless populism ... there was an old saying ... no taxation without representation - i dont know why but representation without taxation seems irresponsible and its a slippery slope to industrial-contractor-lobby-run-gvmt ...

i'm keeping to mine in saying - he's just saying these things to get attention - .. next he'll say what ? that he wants everybody on perfect state supplied health care .. no abortions whatsoever and putting christianity in the constitution ?:)
 
i dont know why but representation without taxation seems irresponsible and its a slippery slope to industrial-contractor-lobby-run-gvmt ...

If the government doesn't tax, then how can it spend the money by which it attracts the industrial-contractor lobbies right now?

There's a tremendous amount of money involved in government contracts, as the military industrial complex has proven, and companies like Halliburton have tripped over themselves to insure that shills like Bush and Cheney get into the Whitehouse while George Soros uses campaign contributions to strong-arm Democrats into supporting his global socialist agenda.

Writing off a man who's campaigned on these very issues as a 10-term congressman who repeatedly defeats the RNC candidate as an "attention-seeker" is retarded. Paul is one of the only men in Washington who isn't a crook, and the concept of a pro-life libertarian suddenly turning around and demanding universal healthcare is ridiculous.

He's never voted to raise taxes
He voted against the war
He's never voted to restrict gun rights
And he's never voted to raise pay for congressmen.

Politicians should want to kill for that kind of consistancy, and if Paul's been nursing one huge and evil hidden agenda for the last 30 years then it'd have to be one Hell of a big one.

Investigate the candidate before you demonstrate how little you actually know.
 
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In this discussion on public television, all of the pundits made absolutely no mention of Ron Paul's anti-war platform, or his adamant opposition to the National ID Card, wanting to abolish the IRS and the Federal Reserve, or any other issues that resonated with the people who are supporting Paul online

I've gotten into a lot of investigating over the IRS and the Federal Reserve (Neither of which are actually government bodies/parts).

This Ron Paul sounds freaking amazing...
Now I haven't gotten much into him actually, or his chances.
Does anyone here know if he actually stands a chance of getting anywhere now?
 
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He won't live long. The MJ12 will catch soon enough.
 
Goweigus said:
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In this discussion on public television, all of the pundits made absolutely no mention of Ron Paul's anti-war platform, or his adamant opposition to the National ID Card, wanting to abolish the IRS and the Federal Reserve, or any other issues that resonated with the people who are supporting Paul online

I've gotten into a lot of investigating over the IRS and the Federal Reserve (Neither of which are actually government bodies/parts).

This Ron Paul sounds freaking amazing...
Now I haven't gotten much into him actually, or his chances.
Does anyone here know if he actually stands a chance of getting anywhere now?

alot of people are talking about him and thats without the press covering him, the news will pick him up and he'll take off
 
They don't want him to take off, and that's the problem. If they do report on Paul it'll be in an effort to convince us that he's an incompetent or a kook, like Glenn Beck did on Headline Prime. People are going to smell the bullshit, though.
 
Bradylama said:
Apparently Yahoo is getting in on the action, with candidate pages for every participant except Ron Paul and Gravel.
I'm suspecting his relatively extremist stances are marginalising in the press and the limited, two-party system of the States.

Still shitty journalism, though.
 
But wait! It gets better!

http://www.lewrockwell.com/woods/woods67.html
Now we have the phenomenon of Yahoo News inexplicably excluding Ron Paul from its list of GOP candidates. Yet right there are Mike Huckabee and Duncan Hunter, whose combined support in the polls trails Ron Paul’s.

Stunned, I actually called Yahoo and left a voicemail message for their chief communications officer, and included my email address. In their emailed reply, I was told: "According to the latest FEC filings, it is our understanding that Congressman Paul has not officially entered the 2008 Presidential race, but has only gotten to the stage of forming an exploratory committee."

Huh? Unannounced candidates are allowed into the debates? Can't possibly be true, I thought. So I simply went to the Federal Election Commission website, and after three seconds of searching I found Ron Paul's filing statement, dated March 12. (That's funny: I was told Yahoo had consulted "the latest FEC filings.") Well, here are Ron Paul's documents right here.
 
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