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But how is it hard to find? The entrance is right at the surface, with a big-ass number of the vault written on it.I mean, he undoubtedly did find Vault 4. It's a Vault full of mutants and they murdered their slave owners. They probably hold a Master Day there every year, celebrating his destruction of the normies.
It's not like any of them would be useful to his plan of converting non-mutated humans.
Given Vault 31, 32, and 33 are a place that Moldaver also needed something like twenty years to find, I also think that its not exactly well known either.
But how is it hard to find? The entrance is right at the surface, with a big-ass number of the vault written on it.
No, Fallout 1 is 80 years after the bombs fell. Stop making shit up when you don't know the facts.The Boneyard was actually directly hit by nuclear weapons unlike the majority of places in Fallout and the radiation only recently receded there as it's not as populated as other parts of Fallout 1 with only Raider gangs having lived there like the Rippers. The Master and Followers of the Apocalypse are new arrivals.
Its a contrast to other more thriving settlements and groups that have been settled for generations like Junktown.
We also see that Santa Monica was never resettled at all by the fact the place is still like the Capital Wasteland. * Los Angeles is 460 square miles and Fallout 1 is only 25 years after the bombs fell. Remember the Master only finds your Vault if you clue him in with the Water Merchants or he finds them through his local contacts (The Cathedral).
Vault 32, 31, and 33 is completely incommunicado.
* To be fair, those skeletons could have been left behind by the Shady Sands nuking, depending on whether Hank just used one nuke or several on NCR.
Phipps probably meant to say 85, as that is the exact amount of time the game is set (well 84-85 years, don't care enough to do the math exactly).No, Fallout 1 is 80 years after the bombs fell. Stop making shit up when you don't know the facts.
No, Fallout 1 is 80 years after the bombs fell. Stop making shit up when you don't know the facts.
Vault 13 wasn't found because it was hidden under a mountain. Vault 15 was only accessible via a hole in the ground.
Vault 31-33 had their entrance right in the open. We don't know what is in the Boneyard because it was never really shown, the only notable places in Fallout 1 were Adytum and the Gunrunners' place. The Master could have and should have found the vaults, but the things is, yeah, they were not written yet and the writers for the show just kinda ignored Fallout 1.
The Water Merchants would only make the Master find our about Vault 13 quicker, he eventually finds out about it anyway (at least pre-the time limit being patched out)Yeah and you only find it because of the Water merchants.
The Water Merchants would only make the Master find our about Vault 13 quicker, he eventually finds out about it anyway (at least pre-the time limit being patched out)
Yes, to start with they learn things through scouts and informants, but once he destroys Necropolis his army does in fact start acting like a rolling horde and just wiping out settlements out in the open. But that doesn't matter either way - Even if we disregard the invasion, the Master does not solely rely on spies and informants getting information that normals are already aware of, he has spies doing reconnaissance on their own without reliance on extracting intelligence from others (the Nightkin, and parties of normal Super Mutants around the Glow).I mentioned that in the first post. The Master has a network of spies and informants throughout the Wasteland in the Cathedral. Do you think he finds the Vault with them or do you think he's physically searching with his armies that are mostly at Mariposa and otherwise hidden from view?
I say it is the former.
Basically, I think fans think the Master's Army is a big Legion like Horde when it's actually relying on stealth - no one knows they exist save rumors and hearsay until the Vault Dweller exposes them at the Death Claw cave.
You addressed it in your second post:I mean, he undoubtedly did find Vault 4. It's a Vault full of mutants and they murdered their slave owners. They probably hold a Master Day there every year, celebrating his destruction of the normies.
It's not like any of them would be useful to his plan of converting non-mutated humans.
Given Vault 31, 32, and 33 are a place that Moldaver also needed something like twenty years to find, I also think that its not exactly well known either.
I don't know where you're getting the second part, that the Master finds Vault 13 through his local contacts at the Cathedral. Aside from the Water Merchants or informing the Unity directly, there's no indication (so far as I can recall) about how exactly the Master finds Vault 13, but find it he does.Remember the Master only finds your Vault if you clue him in with the Water Merchants or he finds them through his local contacts (The Cathedral).
I don't know where you're getting the second part, that the Master finds Vault 13 through his local contacts at the Cathedral. Aside from the Water Merchants or informing the Unity directly, there's no indication (so far as I can recall) about how exactly the Master finds Vault 13, but find it he does.
I think the absolutely crazy thing is that he never found Vault 4. Vault 4 brings people in through a hospital. It makes no sense that no one in the Unity never went to go check out that hospital so close to the Cathedral. Even if you weren't looking for Vaults, at some point medicine might come in handy.But yes, I admit, if he's actively searching, 30 years in his own hometown does make it seem ridiculous if that's been populated that entire time--I just don't think it has been as its shown to be an utterly lawless hellhole until recently* due to Morpheus' backstory. When he's part of the Rippers gang, there's no one doing anything in the Boneyard and its not until the Regulators and Cathedral and Followers appear that a semblance of order happens.
I think the absolutely crazy thing is that he never found Vault 4. Vault 4 brings people in through a hospital. It makes no sense that no one in the Unity never went to go check out that hospital so close to the Cathedral. Even if you weren't looking for Vaults, at some point medicine might come in handy.