New developer diary at Bethesda

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Fallout 3 lead designer Emil Pagliarulo has published a diary entry on the official site called Faction Profile – the Brotherhood of Steel. There's some philosopy, some facts, and some fractionation.<blockquote>Now imagine all of that compulsion, all of that addiction we as an entire race share, and encapsulate it into one group of people. Imagine the obsession and fervor, the unending need for technological superiority, and the ultimate futility of such a goal.

Imagine, if you will, the Brotherhood of Steel.

[..]

It’s not enough for the Brotherhood of Steel’s members to use whatever high-tech gadgetry they’ve acquired, though. The organization’s entire existence is predicated on the acquisition of technology. Whatever they’ve got is never enough. Their best equipment? It could be better. Even if this endless search for high-tech toys means keeping the good stuff out of the hands of others who could really benefit from it, well, that’s okay with the Brotherhood of Steel.

So it really didn’t come as a surprise to anyone within the Brotherhood of Steel when the order’s ruling council, based in Southern California, decided to send a contingent of soldiers all the way to the East Coast, with two important objectives:

1. To scour the ruins of Washington D.C., once the nation’s capital, and recover any and all advanced technology. After all, D.C. was the home of the Pentagon, the very headquarters of the United States Department of Defense. Who knows what secrets – or equipment – they left behind?

2. To investigate the reports of Super Mutant activity in the area. Could these creatures be somehow related to those that fled eastward after the Master’s destruction (as depicted at the end of Fallout 1). Or were these Super Mutants something else entirely?</blockquote><center> </center>
There's some serious plot points and concept art there, so check it out.

Link: Bethblog entry.

Spotted on that blog.
 
Maybe not my definition of "diary" but interesting stuff nonetheless!
 
Oh, that's great. The dying brotherhood sends a huge squadron in a cross-country trip. That's nice :)
 
i actually really like the concept art.....which makes it all the more depressing that i absolutely loathe most of the screens i've seen.
 
Seriously, compare it to this:

http://images.wikia.com/fallout/images//2/28/BOSMap.jpg
Look at the weapons. Look at the concept of the buildings... Does FO3's concepts, despite looking cool for an average generic sci-fi game, look like Fallout's brotherhood of steel?

http://images.wikia.com/fallout/images//e/e2/BOS_characters.jpg
Look at these characters. Do FOE's scribes look alike? What about the paladins? And we're yet to see combat armors (maybe they forgot about it? Even when it's probably the most widely used armor for the Brotherhood?).

After the defeat of the Master, the Brotherhood had become a shadow of its former self. No longer the sole custodian of advanced technology in the wasteland, the Brotherhood was struggling to find a new identity. After they first encountered the Enclave, they started to raise small bunkers in various cities throughout Northern California (...)
From the wiki (fallout's, of course).
 
I don't know which I hate more: The giant manga robot laser rifle or the H.R.Giger bearded dude. The scribe is a meh and the rest of the concept art is okay. I won't read the diary since I suspect I might get an aneurysm.
 
It's definitely not the same art direction as the two first Fallout. It still looks nice in my opinion though. And I thought the background provided about the B.O.S was rather coherent.
 
This actually clears up alot of questions from looking at the screen captures of BOS soldiers. I feel strange, but this diary actually has me excited to play Fallout 3......

As well, the fact that this dairy was released so late compared to the first demo for Fallout 3, It hints to the fact that numerous changes might have been made since then. But, that might be just over-optimistic thinking on my part.
 
MrBumble said:
It's definitely not the same art direction as the two first Fallout. It still looks nice in my opinion though.
Yeah, sure, Morrowind surely doesn't have the same art direction as Fallout, and it looks nice in my opinion too...

Looking nice is one thing.

MrBumble said:
And I thought the background provided about the B.O.S was rather coherent.
Didn't you feel, for one second, they were just making excuses for including the brotherhood? I'm asking, this is not a RQ. Didn't you think they were just conjuring up some "coherent" (citing) background to include something even Fallout 2 didn't care much to include because, falllout, after all, is not precisely about mutants, or about the brotherhood, or about deathclaws, or about the glows. Those things are just the offspring of what Fallout is about. Bethesda (and many people, probably) fail to understand that. OR I just have a completely distorted view of things...
 
Morbus said:
MrBumble said:
It's definitely not the same art direction as the two first Fallout. It still looks nice in my opinion though.
Yeah, sure, Morrowind surely doesn't have the same art direction as Fallout, and it looks nice in my opinion too...

Looking nice is one thing.

MrBumble said:
And I thought the background provided about the B.O.S was rather coherent.
Didn't you feel, for one second, they were just making excuses for including the brotherhood? I'm asking, this is not a RQ. Didn't you think they were just conjuring up some "coherent" (citing) background to include something even Fallout 2 didn't care much to include because, falllout, after all, is not precisely about mutants, or about the brotherhood, or about deathclaws, or about the glows. Those things are just the offspring of what Fallout is about. Bethesda (and many people, probably) fail to understand that. OR I just have a completely distorted view of things...



Well, in some of my stuff, I sometimes start off in a way of thinking that isn't unlike what you've stated. Sometimes, I want to have Nazi's opening a giant bowling alley on a space-station orbiting Saturn, and have a game called "Ultimate SS Bowling League Future!" or something. Now I need to make up a reason to get the Nazi Party on a space-station on Saturn, and make up a history on why and how that happened.

Even though, I see your point kinda, It is Brian Fargo's game, not Bethesdas....
 
Morbus said:
Didn't you feel, for one second, they were just making excuses for including the brotherhood? I'm asking, this is not a RQ. Didn't you think they were just conjuring up some "coherent" (citing) background to include something even Fallout 2 didn't care much to include because, falllout, after all, is not precisely about mutants, or about the brotherhood, or about deathclaws, or about the glows. Those things are just the offspring of what Fallout is about. Bethesda (and many people, probably) fail to understand that. OR I just have a completely distorted view of things...

No, no, you are right. It all seems a little "forced" I agree but it's just that my expectations got rather low on Fallout 3's background so it sounded OK. Now, on the other hand, I'm really, REALLY curious as regards the excuse they are going to give for that supermutant activity on the east coast.
 
I hate the butt-stock on the rifle the BOS soldier holds, and on another of the concept art weapons. It screams steampunk to me, not retro-futuristic.

I agree about the buildings and clothing/armor in those pics, they don't look Fallout at all. The scribe clothing looks Star Wars Episode 1-3 to me, and the armor on the guy's head is just sci-fi chain mail. The armor on that one woman looks, also, like a sci-fi version of medieval armor, in this case leather or cloth armor. (Notice the stitching.) I'm sorry, but this really doesn't look Fallout, or even, in some cases, proper post-apoc to me. If that's their "leather armor" then we're gonna need some serious fan modding to make this game look right.

Also, the weapons look too complicated, there's too much going on with them. The weapons in Fallout are simpler and smoother.

I understand them wanting to take a slightly different direction with the art, or just the fact that this is a different group of people working on this game, but these changes are far more sweeping than a simple loose/wrinkly vault suit.

Now, on the other hand, I'm really, REALLY curious as regards the excuse they are going to give for that supermutant activity on the east coast.

The Master's cousin was doin' the same thing on the other side of the country.
 
Dopemine Cleric said:
Well, in some of my stuff, I sometimes start off in a way of thinking that isn't unlike what you've stated. Sometimes, I want to have Nazi's opening a giant bowling alley on a space-station orbiting Saturn, and have a game called "Ultimate SS Bowling League Future!" or something. Now I need to make up a reason to get the Nazi Party on a space-station on Saturn, and make up a history on why and how that happened.

Simple, Nazi's were experimenting with anti-gravity technology, just say they finished it and instead of taking over the world with it, they opened up an interstellar bowling alley, ja?

MrBumble said:
I'm really, REALLY curious as regards the excuse they are going to give for that supermutant activity on the east coast.

Judging from what they've said, it's probably going to be something along the lines of old mutants finding a new way to make mutants. That or these are brand new supermutants that were created by some new evil force (like the Chinese).

Suffice to say it's going to be something very lazy or mindboggling.
 
MrBumble said:
No, no, you are right. It all seems a little "forced" I agree but it's just that my expectations got rather low on Fallout 3's background so it sounded OK. Now, on the other hand, I'm really, REALLY curious as regards the excuse they are going to give for that supermutant activity on the east coast.
Well, I try never to let my expectations drop. Because if they do, I'll end up wanting to know a game just because it has the Fallout name in the title. Not good. I'd rather spend my time playing other settings, because, what Bethesda is doing with Fallout's setting, everyone can do that. It's fanart, nothing more. And I doubt about the "fan-" part...
 
Simple, Nazi's were experimenting with anti-gravity technology, just say they finished it and instead of taking over the world with it, they opened up an interstellar bowling alley, ja?


Indeed. Also, because of the resources Einstein had access to, since he never had to flee Germany because the Nazi's were preoccupied with their Anti-Gravity development, He became the head of a Jewish Triumvirate, With Sigmund Freud, and Mel Brooks. They Went onto fight the nazi's evil galactic Bowling Team....


[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=4dgj_Hx8PJo[/youtube]
 
This is a huge ret-con. They might at least be more honest about ret-conning and not being faithful to the source material...

Ok, the moment I read his faux-philosophical opening I knew something was wrong...

Or maybe, just maybe, the human race has already answered this question: technology is worshipped, simply and plainly, through obsession and attainment. We are a people dominated by technology, from our electrically-powered cities right down to our scientifically engineered anti-depressant medications. And every Sunday mass we miss to stay home and watch football on our HDTVs is further proof that now, more than ever, technology is the deity we hold most dear.

Now imagine all of that compulsion, all of that addiction we as an entire race share, and encapsulate it into one group of people. Imagine the obsession and fervor, the unending need for technological superiority, and the ultimate futility of such a goal.

Imagine, if you will, the Brotherhood of Steel.

HDTV?

BUZZZZZ!

The evolution from the second industrial revolution to the consumer revolution, in the strict economic and not social-political (Marxian) sense of moving from industrial growth to "lower" levels of secondary economics, meta-economics and often wasteful consumerism, had not happened yet in the 50s.

Hey, guys? Thanks for not getting it! Thanks for implanting modern values on the Brotherhood of Steel, a representative of even older values than the retro-50s in the game.

Hey, thanks!

And while it’s true they are a military organization

No, they're not.

the Brotherhood’s values and command structure are actually more representative of a medieval knightly order.

No, not knightly, more monk-like. But thanks for trying.

For a Brotherhood of Steel Paladin, Power Armor is his plate mail, a powered Super Sledge his warhammer

Simplify much?

The organization’s entire existence is predicated on the acquisition of technology.

Oh, rly? And here I thought preservation was their primary goal, acquisition secondary. Hey, remember how they sent one party to the Glow after much discussion and then that party died and they never sent another party again, only sending in doomed would-be applicants?

Yeah, remember that?

That's the BoS, ya R-Tard.

So it really didn’t come as a surprise to anyone within the Brotherhood of Steel when the order’s ruling council, based in Southern California, decided to send a contingent of soldiers all the way to the East Coast, with two important objectives:

...

I can see how it wouldn't come as a surprise to anyone when the ruling council suddenly does a U-turn and decides it's a good idea to spread out, in direct contradiction to the behaviour patterns of the BoS set in Fallout 1 and 2.

To investigate the reports of Super Mutant activity in the area.

Yes, because the BoS really showed a proclivity to active interest in Super Mutant activity before...

...

wait for it

...

NOT!

as well as his seven year-old daughter Sarah

What, it's standard military practice to take 7-year olds along on recon missions?

a technological marvel that, if restored, could help the Brotherhood rebuild a strength and reputation that had been declining steadily for years.

The discovery was significant enough to earn Paladin Lyons a battlefield promotion to Elder, and a new directive from his superiors – to establish a new, permanent Brotherhood base in the Capital Wasteland, and continue the search for any other advanced technology hidden in the capital’s ruins.

Uhm...plothole?

If the technological marvel is such that if restored it would help the BoS restore itself, shouldn't the priority be to get it back to homebase, rather than sit around and continue searching when you've already found what you're looking for? If it can't be moved, why not dig in and claim it?

To quote a great poet: Who wrote this drivel?

their other great discovery – Super Mutants.

Well, someone needs an English course. They already knew the Super Mutants were there, hence it's not a discovery.

Duh, gypsy.

That’s why, for the people of the Capital Wasteland, the Brotherhood of Steel was the answer to their prayers. Scattered, hungry, and largely disorganized, they had lived with the constant threat of death or capture by the Super Mutants for as long as they could remember. Elder Lyons and his brave Knights and Paladins changed all that.

Yes, risking lives and technology to clear out a useless wasteland of mutants and help the needy really sounds like something the BoS would do...

Wait, what?

Last I checked, super mutants aren't retards (not all of them), they avoided the BoS in Fallout 1 for good reason, why exactly wouldn't they do the same here...

...because?

What, no answer?

Fighting the Super Mutants, simply keeping them at bay, may have been enough for the area’s innocents, but for the Brotherhood, too many questions remained: how were these local Super Mutants created? Why were they capturing the people of the Capital Wasteland? Where were they taking them? Finding these answers would, ultimately, become Owyn Lyons' obsession.

Well, he must've had bad training because no Brotherhood paladin I ever met would give a shit about that.

Also, how does sitting in a base keeping mutants at bay help anyone? At best, it'd force the mutants away from the BoS center of operation and, hey, into human settlements.

Another plothole! This thing's like swiss cheese, people, run and hide!

But Elder Owyn Lyons had another priority, one he considered more important than his original directive or any orders received since – the protection of the innocent people of the Capital Wasteland

No. Fuck you, ok. No.

This is shit. "Hey guys these guys, right, they were sent trecking along the wasteland and all of a sudden they decided to completely change personality and the BoS' goals. Isn't our plot grate?!?!!"

Please keep your fucking asstarded Brotherhood paladins away from the real thing. This is at least as bad as Tactics, you bunch of assclowns.

Or had a Brotherhood Elder finally exhibited the selfless behavior that should serve as a model for the entire order?

Fallout 4!

Seriously, fuck you.

They believed that by abandoning the Brotherhood of Steel’s primary mission of acquiring new technologies, Elder Lyons had abandoned the very values that defined the order itself.

Yes, he had. The real question is: why wouldn't everyone else see it that way.

Guess how many people there were in the BoS base in Fallout 1 that had any interest in people outside? 1. One elder, thanks to whom you can convince the council to give some meagre help.

I don't know who these jokers are, but they certainly aren't BoS paladins.

Now, only one question remains – When the Brotherhood of Steel Scribes record the events to come, what will they say about you?

Actually, the real question is: who are these fuckheads and why are they pretending to be associated with the Brotherhood of Steel? 'cause they aren't it, from A to Z Bethesda got about everything wrong...

It's so typical of Fallout 3. They show they get it, they write down the right things and say "hey look, this is how it is in Fallout", a xenophobic BoS, true, that's how it is...

And then they go "but y'know what, we're going to ignore that and just go our own way."

Ugh. Do you really need to pretend it's Fallout, then?
 
:shock:

BN, I think this is the first time I've read you being this... vocal about something that the fuels at Bethsoft say...

I think something in there snapped while you were reading there! :crazy: :P
 
Brother None said:
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Actually, the real question is: who are these fuckheads and why are they pretending to be associated with the Brotherhood of Steel? 'cause they aren't it, from A to Z Bethesda got about everything wrong...

It's so typical of Fallout 3. They show they get it, they write down the right things and say "hey look, this is how it is in Fallout", a xenophobic BoS, true, that's how it is...

And then they go "but y'know what, we're going to ignore that and just go our own way."

Ugh. Do you really need to pretend it's Fallout, then?

Yes, because that way they can deflect any criticisms about the story by using that good old chestnut "We're just advancing the previous story the same way the guys at Interplay would have!".

They know how to influence public opinions and they're trying their hardest to both intrigue the public and convince them that we're just some crotchety old luddites who hate the future of video-gaming.

It's pretty much the same thing they've doen with Spider-Man comics.(Completely changing the last 20 years of history in favor of a simplified version that's "easier" to write for)
 
...

now we can stop speculating about the BoS, i guess...

it's sad how they missed so many 'layers' of the FO1 Brotherhood of Steel.
 
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