Scores dead as Israel bombs Gaza

[Bal-Sagoth]

Israel Drops 100 Tons of Bombs on Gaza

GAZA CITY (Dec. 27) -- Israeli warplanes rained more than 100 tons of bombs on security installations in Hamas-ruled Gaza on Saturday, killing at least 225 people in one of the bloodiest days in decades of the Mideast conflict. The government said the open-ended campaign was aimed at stopping rocket and mortar attacks that have traumatized southern Israel.

http://news.aol.com/article/israel-attacks-hamas-compounds-in-gaza/232890


I am thrilled to say the least, I wish this was a daily occurrence.

What did they really expect would happen after they arrogantly continued to lob rockets and mortars inside Israel?

They deserve every bit of what is happening to them.

 

[Patton89]

I must say this atleast once.
Your way of thinking thoroughlly disgusts me, and the way you claim that even bombing civilians is compeletely acceptable, makes me wish that i could just ignore it.
Also the way you seem to enjoy death and war disturbs me.
Nothing personal, but your ideals and the way you simplify the situation are just...well...

Really, what would stop the mortar and rocket fire, and the seemingly endless conflict better:

Attack and hold palestinian areas,causing deaths of civilians,infuriating the populace,helping extremists get more influence and ensure that there will be no understanding, or even relative peace in the area for years to come, and pave the road for more wars and death

OR

Try to negociate ,empty all jewish settlements,rebuild infrastructure in palestinian areas,remove arms from palestinian areas(buy them ?),allow them to trade across the border for food and supplies like oil, and there by lessening power of extremists(hamas) and get the moderates(fatah) in to power,even supporting them behind the scenes (its likely that they are doing this one already), so there can be a solid peace treaty, and end the pointless conflict so all sides can FINALLY start concentrating on living a "normal" life ?

Oh, and "deserve" ?

 

[M-26-7]

Why do you always bring this shit up? it just creates a huge shitstorm.

 

[Bal-Sagoth]

Hamas broke the cease fire, not Israel. This would not have happened if they had not started the rocket attacks again.

In an alternate reality where Hamas had actually honored the cease fire agreement, had this bombing happened I would join you in condemning Israel.

Egypt even blamed Hamas for the escalation of violence, all they asked was Israel showed "restraint" in collective punishment against the attackers.


In my opinion far to much restraint was shown.

and yes, "deserved". No one should be surprised, did anyone really think they could launch rockets and mortars at Israel and get away with it?

An eye for an eye.

Why do you always bring this shit up? it just creates a huge shitstorm.

News is news, had this been just a few dozen deaths I would have passed up posting it.

That death toll alone warrants mention however, quite the number.

 

[Patton89]

I KNOW which one broke the ceasefire. But is it necessary to attack civilians like usual terrorists ? Surelt they have the right to defend themselves, but there are ways to "discreetly take care " of the responsible. I cannot see how they could justify killing civilians.

I am no way condoning the acts of hamas. If that what you are trying to say in the post.

Eye for an eye. History in the area has shown how purposefull that way of thinking is. It simply dampens the problems.
And minor note: eye for an eye: 225+ for 1 dead ?


And you didnt awnser my question.
Which option do you think will create long term peace ?

Blind revenge ?
or
Solving the issues that created this situation to begin with ?

 

[Loxley]

Gaza right now. Is a shit hole. It is a shit hole because israel wants it to be a shit hole. Since people in shitholes do stupid stuff. Such as firing rockets into israel. That way israel can say. "look at the palistinians they cannot rule themselves" and continue building illegal settlements on the west bank. Consider this. Balsagoth.
The people of ghaza have no soveriegn controll of their own air space. They are not allowed to use the sea. They are barely allowed to trade with the outside. All the things they need to get for repairs of water, and food they are denied by israel. And yet when they try to defend themselves(stupid yes I know, they are doing what israel want them to, but then again trying to play victims have not worked at all since the US is blind to anything but the zionist lobby) they are barbarians and are bombed even more.

They have no freedoms. Any freedom people in gaza want, is denied them by israel. What should they do balsagoth? wait for the israelis to take full controll of the west bank? Wait for an enternity? Or maybe they should do as the setllers want and bow their heads to their israeli overlords? Because that is so great right?

This is what israel wants. It helps them expand on the west bank.

Ariel sharons plan is working well indeed. (yes this is confirmed by ariel sharons closest advisor. I can get sources on this when i get back home from christmas.)

 

[Bal-Sagoth]

I KNOW which one broke the ceasefire. But is it necessary to attack civilians like usual terrorists ? Surelt they have the right to defend themselves, but there are ways to "discreetly take care " of the responsible. I cannot see how they could justify killing civilians.

Eye for an eye. History in the area has shown how purposefull that way of thinking is. It simply dampens the problems.
And minor note: eye for an eye: 225+ for 1 dead ?


And you didnt awnser my question.
Which option do you think will create long term peace ?

Blind revenge ?
or
Solving the issues that created this situation to begin with ?

225 for 1 dead is actually pretty even in my books. I support the philosophy of "If they hit you with a stick, hit them back with a sledge hammer".

As to your question I will just say obviously the "blind revenge" way is not going to solve the problems there. Violence begets violence, that much is true.

I will also say peace in Israel is not as simple as you have laid out in plan B. If it was that simple and did not have so many road blocks/issues it would have been done quite a while ago.

So ignoring the distant future and just living in the present I will go back to my, "Fuck yeah Israel you get BOOOOOOY!!!!" attitude.


Just to clarify so you do not go off on some rant: I do agree violence will NEVER "solve" the issue.

That being said the Israeli response to the rocket attacks did bring a grin to my face when I read about em. Someone high up in the IDF would enjoy my "stick/sledge hammer" saying eh?

 

[Loxley]

That being said the Israeli response to the rocket attacks did bring a grin to my face when I read about em. Someone high up in the IDF would enjoy my "stick/sledge hammer" saying eh?

In particular since it has been their official policy since the founding of the state of Israel. Ariel sharon once blew upp a whole city when he was a..mayor I think. Since there was fired shots at israel from a city.

 

[Chancellor Kremlin]

An eye for an eye.

''An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind'' - Ghandi

225 for 1 dead is actually pretty even in my books. I support the philosophy of "If they hit you with a stick, hit them back with a sledge hammer".

C'mon man, how can you be so narrow minded? Its not like Israel and Gaza are two neighbourly nation states that have been friends forever and then SUDDELY Gaza attacks Israel completely unprovoked now is it?

To look at it that way is to ignore the last couple of decades in that region completely. I really don't see how you can unconditionally support Israel. I mean, im no Hamas fan myself, but to support one side blindly is just a bit... deluded maybe?

Still, I love Bal-Sagoth's interest in modern politics. Its only a shame the two of us see things from completely different perspectives. Still, I have learned to ignore that

I love the U.S response though:

"The United States is deeply concerned about the escalating violence in Gaza," US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said in a statement.

"We strongly condemn the repeated rocket and mortar attacks against Israel and hold Hamas responsible for breaking the ceasefire and for the renewal of violence there. The ceasefire must be restored immediately and fully respected."

They have not even mentioned the death toll. Even if Hamas HAD broken the ceasefire, the Israeli's have killed more people in a day than Hamas has killed with rockets/mortars for the entire ceasefire period. How can the U.S blindly ignore that?

I believe the agreement of the truce was, rocket fire ceases, and Israel opens up the blockade. The deliberate turtle speed that Israel chose to open up the blockades makes it hard for me not to believe it was intentional, and that clearly this would warrant a Hamas reprisal in some form.

Im not going to be a hypocrite, I believe neither side wants peace in the middle east at this time. But if it were up to the vote the number one idiot in the middle east Israel would win a landslide.

If hitler didn't have a good enough reason to hate jews in his lifetimne, Israel is building the foundations for future tyrants everywhere to aim to wipe out jews/israelis clean off the face of the planet. I would have imagined such a persecuted people would have more tact and humility, but it seems not in Israel at least.

 

[Loxley]

They are carving themselves a country in an area where there is living a significant population allready. Ofcourse they are going to get enemies. The reason they are doing it so brutally is that they know perfectly well that they cannot be protected anywhere else. It is easier to say sorry later on when the facts on the ground have changed so that they have their own country.

 

[Blakut]

225 for 1 dead is actually pretty even in my books. I support the philosophy of "If they hit you with a stick, hit them back with a sledge hammer".

Then the 9/11 attacks on the us were perfectly justifiable. They should be a daily occurence.

 

[Josan12]

Israel is playing a very dangerous game, IMO

 

[Loxley]

Israel is playing a very dangerous game, IMO

They got an advanced army superior to any of their oponents. Blind support from the united states. They also have nukes. And the world cares less and less because "They have been killing each other there foreeever, they will never stop". Which is why they can afford to play it.

 

[Patton89]

Israel has started to mobilize some of their reserves. Several thousands have been called into service, for preparation of "larger operation", that might be "long term" Land attack is an "option"

And at the same time, anti-israel demonstrations have started to pop up in middle-east,for example in Syria, Lebanon,Iraq and Jemen.In sunday, Ajatollah Khomeini has demanded that "muslims of the world will defend palestines from attacks of israel"

NOW, there is a large risk of escalating this from a revenge operation, to a all-out war between muslims nations of the area and israel, IF the public opinion of muslim nations continues to go this way. Even if israel wins this one as they usually do, it is not a good option, it would hurt the economy and cost lives. And for what ?
Israel should reconsider the risks of possible land attack and continuing airstrikes.

Land attack might just be the thing to start a war in the area, a war that IRAN might join, if Khomeini wants or decides to follow the policy he has set. Area is much more unstable, and the americans are in no position to help Israel, they have got their hands full in Iraq and Afganistan.Also, not blind support, not after Bush is gone. Not to mention to damage it would do to all relations with most nations.

Airstrikes will just make Hamas stronger, as they will get more recruits, as the public sentiment changes and standards of living collapse even further. And they will be hurting their relations with other countries, albeit to a lesser extenct.

And really, a peace in the area is possible, if both sides would actually TRY to get a peace. Seems that neither one is willing to make one, or make any necessary concessions . I am not hurraing at israel bombing civilians. Hamas are fools, but Israel and their leadership seems to be the same. Short term thinking is evident.

 

[Josan12]

Israel is playing a very dangerous game, IMO

They got an advanced army superior to any of their oponents.

True, but rarely in history has the side with the most 'superior' army actually won the war

Blind support from the united states.

Yes, but i would say it's quite likely there'd be nothing left of Israel by the time the US army arrived.

They also have nukes.

Well, that's great, but if Israel were to use any of them you can damn sure there wouldn't ANYTHING left.

And the world cares less and less because "They have been killing each other there foreeever, they will never stop". Which is why they can afford to play it.

I think the world cares a great deal, but is powerless to stop them. Given their situation, i can fully understand why Israel as a nation must feel so inscure. But acting like a kid in a schoolyard that thinks he's so tough because he has a big brother is, IMO, a very dangerous game.

 

[Ravager69]

Israel Drops 100 Tons of Bombs on Gaza

GAZA CITY (Dec. 27) -- Israeli warplanes rained more than 100 tons of bombs on security installations in Hamas-ruled Gaza on Saturday, killing at least 225 people in one of the bloodiest days in decades of the Mideast conflict. The government said the open-ended campaign was aimed at stopping rocket and mortar attacks that have traumatized southern Israel.

http://news.aol.com/article/israel-attacks-hamas-compounds-in-gaza/232890


I am thrilled to say the least, I wish this was a daily occurrence.

What did they really expect would happen after they arrogantly continued to lob rockets and mortars inside Israel?

They deserve every bit of what is happening to them.

You from USA or something? That's a pretty narrow point of view. I don't think that civilians that died really "deserved" it.

 

[FeelTheRads]

An eye for an eye.

How Old Testament (or should I say JEWISH) of you.

 

[M-26-7]

Israel is playing a very dangerous game, IMO

They got an advanced army superior to any of their oponents.

True, but rarely in history has the side with the most 'superior' army actually won the war

Blind support from the united states.

Yes, but i would say it's quite likely there'd be nothing left of Israel by the time the US army arrived.

They also have nukes.

Well, that's great, but if Israel were to use any of them you can damn sure there wouldn't ANYTHING left.

And the world cares less and less because "They have been killing each other there foreeever, they will never stop". Which is why they can afford to play it.

I think the world cares a great deal, but is powerless to stop them. Given their situation, i can fully understand why Israel as a nation must feel so inscure. But acting like a kid in a schoolyard that thinks he's so tough because he has a big brother is, IMO, a very dangerous game.

The first rule is that Israel always wins. How do you think they got the West Bank in the first place?

 

[fedaykin]

Isn't it funny how the rocket attacks on Israel cause a little damage and kill one or two people once in a while, and each time the Israeli army retaliates, killing hundreds of people, including terrorists, policemen and civilians? A hundred dead Palestinians for each dead Israeli is a pretty effective tactic. And then they say "we're just trying to protect ourselves from the terrorists". Yeah, right.

 

[Patton89]

Israel has started to move armoured vehicles and men to Gazan border. They have continued air strikes to gaza.

But why ?

I would say they have 3 motives:
1. Nearing elections, the current "soft" goverment has had lower polls, when compared to hard liners. Attemp to win votes.Show that you are willing to "defend" israel
2.Wanting to stop rocket fire, destroy equipment of hamas and "weaken" Hamas, using fear tactics.
3."Having" to use last days of bush administration to wage war, look at the two previous reasons. Obama is considered a lot less pro-israel, and more sympathetic towards the palestines than Bush.

It is mistake to call it "defense" . Defense in such a clustered area would be surgical espionage operations, assassinations or capturing of people that lead hamas militant wing. Sabotage of weapons, supply routes, and spare parts would also be an option.
Any "real" military action will lead to civilian deaths, gaza is a very densely populated area.