Small info on Beth I noticed today...

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Sytxferryman

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Most probably know this already as it was a while back posted... but thought I'de share what I noticed.

After their game was released they are CHARGING for patches to the game, things that should have beent here and fixed in the first place. Like they think its a Mac OS or sompthing and mindless people will just be more than willing to pay for a update they should get for free.

I have to agree with some in that they are doing it on purpose. The game industry makes more money profit wise than the movie industry and they feel the need to milk us for more? I aint paying for sompthing I should have already, this is str8 bull sh*t.

Source - http://www.oblivionportal.com/index...ts&id=1144424192&archive=&start_from=&ucat=1&

Origional statement -
http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=348450

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I have been playing their past games recently to see if I think they are going to make a good F3 or not... this is definitely not good here in my book. Morrowind I liked, granted it was older and wtf was up with the first-person view, but that aside it was good. Oblivian... well I havent finished it yet so I wont say anything till I do, more overall pic of the game.
 
I didn't see anything about charging for patches in either of those links - they are just charging for plug-ins which add extra content, not fixes for the shipped game. I wouldn't worry about it - charging for patches would be business suicide, no company is stupid enough to do that.

Wrong forum as well, moving to General Gaming.
 
I was under the impresion by his statement and the others statements on the other link I posted that it the patches were in the updates you had to pay for.

From some of the things I have read the updates can (you pay for) even include sompthign as simple as getting acess to whats behind a locked door... wich I think that should have been in the origional edition. New buildings and horse armor, I can see this being a update... but still not charging for it.

EDIT:thx for the move btw :)
 
Some of the content they are adding (fixing more like it) is truly what I see as patch material.

* Instant teleports to every Mages Guild in Cyrodiil
- This has been in Daggerfall and Morrowind, and then suddenly left out for some unknown reason in Oblivion. More like the fuckers planed on making more money. Good thing there’s a free mod that adds the same thing.

* Upgrade to a fully functional Enchanting and Spellmaking station with no need to join Mages Guild.
- Not entirely sure if you were able to enchant/spellmake outside of the mages guild in Daggerfall but in Morrowind you could. Again this has luckily been released and is actually very easy to add yourself.

Bethesda is just pathetic...
 
WolfMyth said:
Bethesda is just pathetic...
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Wrong- it's the people who are paying for content/fixes that should come standard who are the pathetic ones. This is good business practice on BS's part (if debatedly unscrupulous)- why issue patches, expansions, etc. for free when the majority of your fanbase is apparently more than willing to pay premium prices for them, and sing your praises while they're doing it?

Kudos to BS/Zenimax/Take Two for living every developer/publisher's wet dream. Wonder whether they'll need a cold shower afterward?
 
Kan-Kerai said:
WolfMyth said:
Bethesda is just pathetic...
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Wrong- it's the people who are paying for content/fixes that should come standard who are the pathetic ones. This is good business practice on BS's part (if debatedly unscrupulous)- why issue patches, expansions, etc. for free when the majority of your fanbase is apparently more than willing to pay premium prices for them, and sing your praises while they're doing it?

Kudos to BS/Zenimax/Take Two for living every developer/publisher's wet dream. Wonder whether they'll need a cold shower afterward?
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I have to kinda agree. I do believe there is probably around a 85% chance they did this on purpose, and for the whole reason to make money off of it. It does really sux alot... but the game itself has a good bit of bugs that need to be worked out first before they do Horse Armor or anything else really.

I know I have a decent ammount of glitches in the game already and even crashes in the game... and they think making horsie armor is more important than fixing their product :| Honestly, I am not buying horsie armor, but if they were offering a patch right this second for $2 guarontee'd ot fix all my problems so I can just play the daym game without crashes, or glitches, etc I'de probably buy it.

I run a AMD 64 bit 3+ Ghz processor with over 3 gigz of ram and more than adaquate system specs btw. And still with the glitches :|
 
Why so much outrage, "insert coin" had been done before, y'know... :lol:

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Sytxferryman said:
From some of the things I have read the updates can (you pay for) even include sompthign as simple as getting acess to whats behind a locked door... wich I think that should have been in the origional edition.
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That's true - it's "The Orrery". As you and others have said, it's ridiculous for them to charge money for simple things like that and mage's guild teleportation, but they are technically "added content"

Patches, on the other hand, are just things that fix desktop crashes, glitches, programming errors, things like that, and they haven't released any yet. I haven't heard it confirmed by them, but I don't think they or any other company will ever charge for actual patches. Charging to fix technical problems would just be exploiting the buyer and would lead to charges that they intentionally made bugs so they could charge to fix them - once something like that gets out, they might as well just shut down the company because no one would stand for it.

Bethesda is being really, really greedy with these tiny low-content plug-ins, and I think it's disgraceful of them to exploit their fans like that, but those things aren't patches.
 
Silencer said:
Why so much outrage, "insert coin" had been done before, y'know... :lol:
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So you don't own a computer of your own and need to go elsewhere to use one? In that case, 'insert coin' is fair enough - but in this case, you've already paid for what you thought you were getting!

I don't know how closely you followed Oblivion's development, but these 'addons' they're trying to charge for were for the most part originally planned to be included in the release - but Bethesda apparently decided to leave them out and sell them for more bucks later.

I'm just waiting for the 'Holidays' thing to come up for sale, personally.

But really, this kinda shit needs to be seriously boycotted - fanboyism is one thing, but these fuckers are really squeezing every last drop of blood they can get, just because they know there are suckers out there who WILL pay!
 
Abernathy said:
Silencer said:
Why so much outrage, "insert coin" had been done before, y'know... :lol:
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So you don't own a computer of your own and need to go elsewhere to use one? In that case, 'insert coin' is fair enough - but in this case, you've already paid for what you thought you were getting!

I don't know how closely you followed Oblivion's development, but these 'addons' they're trying to charge for were for the most part originally planned to be included in the release - but Bethesda apparently decided to leave them out and sell them for more bucks later.

I'm just waiting for the 'Holidays' thing to come up for sale, personally.

But really, this kinda shit needs to be seriously boycotted - fanboyism is one thing, but these fuckers are really squeezing every last drop of blood they can get, just because they know there are suckers out there who WILL pay!
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I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic...
 
If they only package the patches with content add-ons, so that you have to get the add-on to get the patch (which you of course need to pay for) then I see even less reason to get any release from Bethesda.

Speak with your pocket book, kids, that's all these fuckers ever listen too.
 
From what I can tell the added material is seperate from the patches, BUT the question is how much will be added or not.

There are allotta mods, thx to its fan base, that fix some of the things. But others it dosent do jack for. I have a laptop that the dvd oon it wont read the Oblivion DVD... but it works fine on the desktop, for install anyways. There are others with this problem, and this is just one of millions, litteraly, out there they are being told about. Their tech forums are filled 4-6 pages deep with recently, today even submited comments on how bad it is running.

I think were all playing the frekin beta, as the bugs in this are beta quality. Hell, I've seen some beta's that were even in better condition than this.

All I want is a day game you can play... they are saying VERRY little, wich IS their way as most here know reguarding them and F3, about the bugs in it. Personlaly I think they should be fixin the daym bugz not making new housies or horsie armor for us to buy. And it really pisses me off we have to wait till AFTER they make these things and test em, and sell em, to get a patch to even come remotely close to working with no problems.

Anywho...

Btw... I usualy say (J/k) when making a joke as some ppl dont get my jokes, and my odd sense of humor has a tendency to upset some people. I got it btw, but still think after I already technicaly inserted coin I should have it already... but this is my 2 centz, or $50 as this game goes.

The game does look really nice now, really really really nice and even though it is teeny tiny acerage wise compared to Morrowind it has the potential to be a great game, but they really need to get all these fucking bugs outa here. Atleast enough so the random crash to desktop's stop and the game can be enjoyed.
 
Sytxferryman said:
There are allotta mods, thx to its fan base, that fix some of the things. But others it dosent do jack for. I have a laptop that the dvd oon it wont read the Oblivion DVD... but it works fine on the desktop, for install anyways. There are others with this problem, and this is just one of millions, litteraly, out there they are being told about. Their tech forums are filled 4-6 pages deep with recently, today even submited comments on how bad it is running.
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To be fair, a certain bit of that is to be expected. With the huge number of different hardware configurations that exist, they can only test so much. Not to mention the large amount of room for people to mess things up on their computer, and through that causing problems with the game.

Some of the complaints on the forums are unjustified, as people don't meet the minimum hardware requirements or they are configuring the game above what their system can perform.

I might not have noticed, but I really haven't gotten the impression that Oblivion has worse problems that most game releases (in fact, it seems to me they have done better than average on that respect).
 
i think if they combine extra features, additional content and fixes into one downloadable package and charge a small fee for it everybody would only benefit from it. second thought...bugs need to be worked out before additional features can be added, doesnt mean that add-on and patch cannot be combined into one package but people are not likely to go looking for and additional content before being able to finish the game first, so patch needs to go first and it should remain free unless the game is labeled as beta release at a reduced price.
 
Kotario said:
I might not have noticed, but I really haven't gotten the impression that Oblivion has worse problems that most game releases (in fact, it seems to me they have done better than average on that respect).
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Yip. Graphics seems to be the most buggy in the release, but like you said this is caused for a large part by people's computers, not by Oblivion. Though Oblivion at minimum setting is fucking ridiculous.

It's certainly not as bug-laden as, say, Fallout 2, ToEE or Arcanum.

Not having played it, I'd say that it has few bugs and major issues. The biggest problems seem to be shitty design.
 
One thing to keep in mind is that I don't set the average very high. It seems that nearly all PC games released these days have a good share of technical problems and bugs.

Though to some degree, it is unavoidable. Though sometimes problems arise from sheer negligence, it depends on the story behind each game's release.
 
I was really surprised by Oblivion's stability. I was expecting the same thing as Morrowind; extremely frequent crashes, falling through floors all the time, weird glitches, it eventually just "stopping" and not allowing me to alt-tab or ctrl-alt-del out and forcing me to reboot. So far I haven't experienced any of the above. The only thing that happens is the game will freeze for 10-60 seconds during load times after I've been playing for a few hours, but so far it's always come back to life.

It really bothers me that stability is the exception rather than the rule though. I can count the number of games I've played that have run perfectly or near perfectly out of the box on one hand.
 
I was really surprised by Oblivion's stability.
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Yeah, I'm running the game on maxxed settings with HDR and it stables for me at around 25-35 fps outside. While inside it fluctuates anywhere from 40-200 fps (sometimes higher) indoors. Then again, I do have somewhat of a decked-out rig.

There are others with this problem, and this is just one of millions, litteraly
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Millions? You're giving the bugs far too much credit. Of course you see numerous, (mostly the same) complaints reported on a frickin' TECH FORUM. And even then, you'll see people confirming it works fine for them. This game definitely feels like a beta version to the people who are ignorant of the system specs (hardware, software, viruses, HD space, etc...). There's no assured way of knowing what's an actual bug, and who's fucking retarded. But, otherwise, it definitely needs some work. But what did you expect from a X360 port? The interface isn't shitty because they wanted it to be, it's shitty because they were too fucking lazy to work with the PC version some more.

{It's "people". You can write legibly. Don't bother crying about it.}
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I love those things with typos.
 
Heh. I didn't think to comment on my experiences with Oblivion at all.

Quite simply, I mainly agree with Montez. Given Morrowind's problems, Oblivion is an amazing improvement in the realm of stability.

In the fifty hours I have played the game, I have had only one crash during gameplay. Strangely enough, the game crashes about 75% of the time when I am exiting it; but as I lose no data and there seems to be no adverse effects, it hardly matters except as a curiosity. The only issue I have is that the game accesses a new instance of one of my codec packs every few minutes while playing. After an hour or so, I will have twenty or more different instances open in the notification area of the task bar (they only close if I restart my computer), making the notification area nearly impossible to use (though again with no problems except for that minor annoyance, no slow down or such).
 
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