the enclave original idea?

[RoosterCole]

that thing was in my mind for a while i know there is a video when tim talks about that but i couldn't find it i remember it wasn't like the final game just genocide and reverse master ideology "mutants will fail and pure humans will succeed" but they were building a space ship and they will go by it to a more viable planet than earth but that got cut after tim left what did that do with the main plot of saving your village and the main quest or it was always about genocide but with a space ship ?

 

[TheKingofVault14]

Are you talking about this video?:


Also, with Tim revealing this info in greater detail, I wish he or maybe even Leonard Boyarsky would release their Design Documents of their version of Fallout 2. At least drafts for the original story of the game would be nice to see, & to compare to what we actually got.

 

[RoosterCole]

Are you talking about this video?:

yes this

Also, with Tim revealing this info in greater detail, I wish he or maybe even Leonard Boyarsky would release their Design Documents of their version of Fallout 2. At least drafts for the original story of the game would be nice to see, & to compare to what we actually got.

i guess it is better than what we got in fallout 2 since chris avellone mentioned that in his fallout tv show review saying he didn't like fallout 2 version of the enclave and that ruined tim original idea
the enclave goal is just the master but oppositely it has a lack of depth they aren't very relatable because the game shows the people they want to kill aren't so much different from them it has the potential to be greyer and you can give it a closer look since radiation destroy DNA but the dwarves are the only anomaly you see in the wasteland you see and they aren't even common

 

[RoosterCole]

Are you talking about this video?:


Also, with Tim revealing this info in greater detail, I wish he or maybe even Leonard Boyarsky would release their Design Documents of their version of Fallout 2. At least drafts for the original story of the game would be nice to see, & to compare to what we actually got.

I asked him on his channel this is his response

i think they are interesting they fit the theme of fallout 1 well they don't care about pre war america and no one stuck in the past

 

[TheKingofVault14]

I asked him on his channel this is his response View attachment 35743 i think they are interesting they fit the theme of fallout 1 well they don't care about pre war america and no one stuck in the past

Dude, this is awesome, thank you so much for asking him!!! Well, I guess now we know both whether he has the Design Docs for FO2, & what his original vision was for The Enclave. It certainly sounds a lot better than what we actually got, the "mustache twirling villainy" version of the faction.



Also I've got two questions in regards to this convo...

1. Which video did you ask Tim Cain in the comment section about all of this?

& 2. Chris Avellone admitted to not liking The Enclave's portrayal in FO2, well that's the first time I've ever heard him claim these things. Plus even going as far to say that they "ruined his original vision" for the story, do you know where & when he said all of these things???

 

[RoosterCole]

Dude, this is awesome, thank you so much for asking him!!! Well, I guess now we know both whether he has the Design Docs for FO2, & what his original vision was for The Enclave. It certainly sounds a lot better than what we actually got, the "mustache twirling villainy" version of the faction.



Also I've got two questions in regards to this convo...

1. Which video did you ask Tim Cain in the comment section about all of this?

& 2. Chris Avellone admitted to not liking The Enclave's portrayal in FO2, well that's the first time I've ever heard him claim these things. Plus even going as far to say that they "ruined his original vision" for the story, do you know where & when he said all of these things???

i asked him in this video



chris said he doesn't like the enclave in his fallout tv show review part 2
he said:

I’m no fan of the Enclave (we ruined Tim’s original good idea with our take in F2) but if doing the Enclave, you should construct a better foundation and something that actually foreshadows it, not make a vague mess of “huh?”. The Enclave shouldn’t be a footnote when introduced and their presence and portrayal should not be confusing.​

 

[TheKingofVault14]

i asked him in this video



chris said he doesn't like the enclave in his fallout tv show review part 2
he said:

I’m no fan of the Enclave (we ruined Tim’s original good idea with our take in F2) but if doing the Enclave, you should construct a better foundation and something that actually foreshadows it, not make a vague mess of “huh?”. The Enclave shouldn’t be a footnote when introduced and their presence and portrayal should not be confusing.​

Ah I see, thanks for providing each source!

 

[RoosterCole]

Dude, this is awesome, thank you so much for asking him!!! Well, I guess now we know both whether he has the Design Docs for FO2, & what his original vision was for The Enclave. It certainly sounds a lot better than what we actually got, the "mustache twirling villainy" version of the faction.



Also I've got two questions in regards to this convo...

1. Which video did you ask Tim Cain in the comment section about all of this?

& 2. Chris Avellone admitted to not liking The Enclave's portrayal in FO2, well that's the first time I've ever heard him claim these things. Plus even going as far to say that they "ruined his original vision" for the story, do you know where & when he said all of these things???

did anyone ask chris avellone if he still has the design docs he wrote some of it after all like EPA design document? maybe he still has tim design docs for fallout 2

 

[RoosterCole]

Dude, this is awesome, thank you so much for asking him!!! Well, I guess now we know both whether he has the Design Docs for FO2, & what his original vision was for The Enclave. It certainly sounds a lot better than what we actually got, the "mustache twirling villainy" version of the faction.



Also I've got two questions in regards to this convo...

1. Which video did you ask Tim Cain in the comment section about all of this?

& 2. Chris Avellone admitted to not liking The Enclave's portrayal in FO2, well that's the first time I've ever heard him claim these things. Plus even going as far to say that they "ruined his original vision" for the story, do you know where & when he said all of these things???

I find chris him saying this on twitter

i will try to ask him if remeber more about tim version of the enclave since tim seems to not remember everthing