You people embarass me...

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ferrarimanf355

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Hi, my name is FerrariManF355. I'm what one might consider a Fallout newbie, but I've been playing video games ever since the age of 5.

OK, enough of me, now I have a beef with Fallout fans about trashing Brotherhood of Steel a month before it is released. Why? Is it because it doesn't follow the Bible? Because it killed Fallout 3? Or is it just because that change is bad? I know how hard it is to hear that a video game was just cancelled- for some, hearing the news is like hearing a loved one died. I must have felt that feeling at least several times, most recently on Half-Life 2. (Yeah, that game was only delayed, but I felt like finding that hacker and ripping his spinal cord out, Mortal Kombat- style) It's natural that blame and anger, denial, sadness and acceptance are the stages (not in that particular order) that one goes through in a loved one's death, and I'm certain that is what you all are going through. I hope that it goes to the acceptance stage soon, because the actions and grudges you people hold is disgusting. It makes all gamers look bad.

So, if Brotherhood of Steel followed the Bible, would you buy it? If I made an RPG that followed the Bible, but played more like Knights of the Old Republic than the Fallout that you know and love, and focused on character development and a concrete storyline (but has lots of cute cultural references that we all like), and was released only on the Xbox, would you buy it? Is the Bible called such for a reason?

In all actuality, I do feel with you guys on a similiar situation. I was a Sega fan back in the "Sega Does What Nintendon't" generation. I didn't waste $100 on Panzer Dragoon Saga...yet. I'm really close to doing that. Naturally, I cried when I heard that Sammy did their hostile takeover and forced Sega to concentrate on arcade games, because an Xbox port of Out Run 2 seems a hopeful dream now. I wrote a letter to Sega saying I'll give my firstborn and my firstborn's firstborn for a Xbox version of Out Run 2, especially if it's Live-enabled, but I'm not hopeful. So yeah, I feel with you, but I look at the glass half-full, and hope for the best. I'm not on the "Sammy killed Sega" bandwagon until that's true.

So in conclusion, please be more open to opinions like this, after all, the members of Looking Glass Studios are just fine, with Warren Spector still making good games, and the remaning members forming Irrational Games and making Freedom Force. I'm sure that the BiS guys will be just as happy in the future.
 
Obviously you have not played Fallout very long, or you would understand better what the loss of FO3 means to us.

Fallout is not about the Bible, not about the game play, not about the RPG system, but its about the feel of the game. The problem with BOS is it wont feel like Fallout. You wont be developing your charecter, and making a name for yourself (weather good or bad), you wont have the freedom to do what you want, when you want.

Good example, while playing recently, i was doing the ghost farm quest in Fallout 2, but decided to leave the mission right in the middle, go to New Reno and be a pron star. The relevence of this? I had the freedom to do that. Im not forced down one path, im not getting plot spoon fed to me.

Now, you used Valve and Half-Life 2 as an example of another recent gaming tragady. Well, in all honesty, Valve and Interplay are alot alike. Both of them are fucking their fans in the ass for a few bucks. That is why Valve got hit by hackers.



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I forgot to point out one more thing. If you made a game that followed the Bible, but played like KOTOR, and released on Xbox...i would piss on you for wasting our time with console bullshit
 
We embarrass you? That's interesting - in what way exactly does our dislike of POS embarass you? Do you have some vested interest in it? Do you annouce to everyone that you're a fallout fanboy, only to have them ridicule you because NMA dislikes a game? You say you're a Fallout newbie but you're going to lecture us on what the game is and isn't, and what aspect of the game is important to us when we're perfectly capable of making our own decisions? Oh wait, we're all one-dimensional people with the minds of obssessive maniacs, who go utterly apeshit whenever someone suggests the slightest deviation from Fallout 1, so of course none of us is capable of judging something on its merits, right? Hey, maybe you should dig up some more cliches to bolster your argument, since you seem incapable of browsing the forums and reading exactly why most people here dislike this game before making rhetorical statements meant to rile people up.

If anyone should be sick of anyone it should be us sick of people like you, because we have to put up with people like you who assume the game designers and companies are some sort of innocent, infallible genius gods whose charity and benevolence are only matched by the hatred bestowed on them by ignorant, selfish, greedy and childish game players who seek to destroy what they do not understand. Forgive us, Interplay and random fanboys, for we know not what we do....
 
PIPBoy2000 said:
It sickens me that you live in Florida.
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Sorry about the off topic, but, im moving to Florida in like a week. What part do you live in? Im gonna be in a town called Lutz, right outside of Tampa
 
Amazing, you people can't take some criticism like that? If you need a reason why I'm embarassed over the Fallout situation, look at the post before this.

And yes, I know about game design. If I didn't, then rest assured that I wouldn't even bother posting this up. And I'm not lecturing about anything but giving the damn game a chance. If the game sucks, then so be it. You need more reasoning other than the story not fitting in with the universe.

Trust me when I say that the future of Fallout 3 might be rosier than you think- after all, if Red Dead Revolver can be cancelled by Capcom and resurrected by Rockstar, than anything goes.

Oh, and in all honesty, the last Interplay game I truly liked was Loaded. I do like what I see in Fallout 1 and 2, I just need a little more time to be immersed in it. It's just competing with two other great examples of game design- Soul Calibur 2 and Project Gotham Racing 2.

Please keep this civil and understanding, and please don't eat me alive. :wink:
 
Moved.

Also, guys, this guy just started a topic in a nice, civil way (though the "you embarass me" was uncalled for, ferrari). How about you just adress his points before you start blindly bashing him?

Everyone's entitled to their opinions.
 
I'm not going to take the trouble to answer his points since he hasn't taken the trouble to read the threads where the points he makes are already addressed, especially considering he made a thread entitled "You people embarass me...." for his first post.
 
Montez said:
I'm not going to take the trouble to answer his points since he hasn't taken the trouble to read the threads where the points he makes are already addressed, especially considering he made a thread entitled "You guys embarass me...." for his first post.
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I know, but posts like "this guy suxs lol" aren't really constructive.

The man's still entitled to his opinion.

Though, ferrari, Montez is right, it would've been helpful if you'd read earlier threads on this subject, not to mention not starting your post with an insult.
 
Kharn, I have to agree with Montez.

The chucklehead didn't bother to do even the slightest bit of lurking, maybe didn't even bother to read anything of the subject before posting this piece of ignorant flamebait, and that's the nicest way I'll put it. That was their first post really lends to the obvious conclusion that they are Many of their unbelievably ignorant "points" or "questions" could easily be answered by looking at some other threads here, or by simply looking at the game's design docs and what Chuck has said in nearly every interview that indicates that the design would fare better under Hasbro's incompetence than his.

And yes, I know about game design. If I didn't, then rest assured that I wouldn't even bother posting this up.
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No, you don't. You're a clueless twit who is admonishing people under weak pretenses. I don't care if it is nicely, I still don't tolerate those that would do such under such a state of ignorance. For proof, I'll point out that Loaded wasn't developed by Interplay, they were merely the publisher. Further proof is how you "defend" F:POS without really knowing about it, and it shows in your post. Since you claim to know about game design, then you'll know that a publisher usually only details certain design aspects, if at all. Usually the work on the game is done by the developer, which would be Gremlin. Has Gremlin been an in-house division of Interplay? Not really. I also think it's funny you like Loaded when the gameplay premise didn't last past a second game because better console shooters for the PSX came out. It really would suit modern Interplay to have a monotonous shooter that made Project: Overkill look fantastic, and Loaded pretty much only sold by merit for the time it came out, near the PSX's release, because it couldn't have been the repetitious play that makes Diablo look sophisticated, nor could it have been the 2-3 seconds of FMV "ending".

Well, I suppose F:POS might be your cup of tea if you like that, mixed in with gratuitous swearing and revealing clothing, among many other design points that make it clear that they were incapable of following someone else's storyline or didn't know about it to begin with. Hey, if you don't mind if the game is a vapid name whore, then all the more power to you.

And I'm not lecturing about anything but giving the damn game a chance. If the game sucks, then so be it.
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Kid, the information is there if you look for it. You're starting to irritate me in that you're lazy nettrash that doesn't bother to do the required self-cluing before discussing about a topic (much less admonish people about), and then you'll complain about the reception you receive.

You need more reasoning other than the story not fitting in with the universe.
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Is your head up your ass much? There's plenty of reasons why people don't like the game, which have been posted at a number of locations, including here at length. Either learn to read or don't bother wasting any more bandwidth.

This thread, especially the first post, is too ignorant to remain. Ferarriwhateverthefuckyournameis, you had either better clue yourself in or I will not tolerate any more of your shit. The way you post quite cluelessly is not only embarrassing to those who do have a clue, but is also not tolerated here.

To the Vats!

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Kharn said:
The man's still entitled to his opinion.
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Yes, but coming onto the forum and posting clueless tripe whilst also showing that they haven't bothered to look at the list of things wrong, nor have been paying attention to what the developers have said, much less some of the less "media whore" new sites, that is pretty asinine, not to mention quite rude. Nah, I'll leave this thread here for now. It should be amusing to watch them flounder around in trying to back-pedal.
 
Kharn said:
I know, but posts like "this guy suxs lol" aren't really constructive.

The man's still entitled to his opinion.

Though, ferrari, Montez is right, it would've been helpful if you'd read earlier threads on this subject, not to mention not starting your post with an insult.
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Glad to see someone being constructive... :D
But in all honesty, if anyone should read the first post again, then you should know that I'm feeling similiar emotions about Sammy's hostile takeover of Sega. I'd give my right leg for a Live-enabled Xbox conversion of Out Run 2, because frankly, Project Gotham Racing 2 can get out my Ferrari fix for only so long... why EA didn't put Italian exotics in NFS Underground, I'll never know.
(Oh, and if you want to check out Out Run 2, click on http://www.sega-am2.co.jp/outrun2/en/index.html, and please spare us any jokes about the Heart Attack mode.)

Anyways, getting back onto topic, I just want to say something before you all throw me to that 49-foot python. Look at the forum this is in, the comment before this, and I think I made my point. I'm the type that reserves judgement until I actually play the game: if it sucks, if there are frustrating bits, if the controls are disjointed, if the AI is brain-dead...then yeah, the criticisms are justified. I just want to hear them after people rented the game. Not several weeks before, unless someone plays it off a demo disc or something.

Now, I want to kiss and make-up... I mean, build a bridge and get over it... I mean, give an olive branch...well, you get the idea. :wink:
 
DarkPoet said:
Now, you used Valve and Half-Life 2 as an example of another recent gaming tragady. Well, in all honesty, Valve and Interplay are alot alike. Both of them are fucking their fans in the ass for a few bucks. That is why Valve got hit by hackers.
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A bit off topic... Please fill a newb in: What did Valve do to piss off their fans? Last I heard HL2 was really, REALLY anticipated. And, Valve got hit by a script kiddy with an intense desire to overcompensate for something, that's about it. They didn't get hit for any reason, it was just some 12 year old idiot who got lucky.
 
ferrarimanf355 said:
Glad to see someone being constructive... :D
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Hey, I can be "contructive", too!

Here, let me try.

It would really behoove you to do a bit more background research before you proverbially piss your pants even more and look like an even bigger idiot than before.

(Snip irrelevent shit about Sega.)
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Anyways, getting back onto topic, I just want to say something before you all throw me to that 49-foot python. Look at the forum this is in, the comment before this, and I think I made my point.
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You haven't proven anything other than you're rude nettrash that expects people to be so joyous and happy and feeling very warm when you come onto their forum and post the incredibly clueless bullshit that you did and then rebuke them..

I'm the type that reserves judgement until I actually play the game: if it sucks, if there are frustrating bits, if the controls are disjointed, if the AI is brain-dead...then yeah, the criticisms are justified. I just want to hear them after people rented the game. Not several weeks before, unless someone plays it off a demo disc or something.
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That's cute. dimples. When I am talking about a "clue", I am not referring to what mans a Japanese fishing boat. So it takes you to touch the stove before you need to know that you're burnt, especially when it's RED FUCKING HOT and you've been burned by it before? Are you familiar with Run Like Hell, kid, or should we also have to point out each and every point of why the game is in doubt? No, we aren't, because we do not coddle the clueless, especially when they come in and start chastizing people while also display that they have no clue of why people are upset. Call it funny, but I really don't see anyone particularly welcoming of that kind of attitude there.

Dammit, I see parents are again neglecting their children's basic learning development...
 
Wow, Roshambo, someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed. I'll ignore you until you calm down and be a little more reasonable. And the stuff I said about Sega is more relevant than you think: you'd probably find a friend in a couple of Sega diehards that jumped to conclusions.
And PIPBoy, very mature of you. :roll:
 
Oh great, you're one of those type of posters. Does the name Demon King ring a bell at all?
 
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