My Thoughts On The Terrible State Of Gamer Entitlement In This Sub As Of Late

wingman2

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Apperently some of you seem to not like fallout 4's dialogue.

I'm here to tell you thats not because the game is bad, it's because you have entitlement issues. You feel entitled to a well written expansive realistic dialogue system in a series that has captivated your attention for more than a decade, and a system that isnt a cop-out that has no reflection on the severity of the choices that you make which we've come to expect from every fallout game in existence.

But you're not entitled to that, because you're just a whiny baby.

This isnt the games problem, it's your problem. And it's also your fault that skills were removed, because gaming has never been more complex.

Speaking of which, if you didnt like the games dialogue or the skills system, but you bought the game anyway, you should just unbuy it! Thats the only logical solution to this problem. You shouldnt be mad at the writers or the CEO's in charge of reaming you at every turn. Because it's your fault that you bought the game in the first place, and they're also all incredibly fragile people who can't take criticism.

And lets not forget. Companies can do whatever they want. That's the overall message here. That you shouldnt be able to complain, voice your opinion or try to get something changed despite the demand because companies are bigger than people and they can market whatever they want, including favorable reviews and hiding unfavorable reviews.
Let's disregard that Fallout's writing went completely out the window in fallout 3 and delude ourselves that fallout 3 isnt just dumbed casual shit that everyone wanted to change and only pandered to the crowd of 10 year olds, and lets look past fallout new vegas atrocious development time limitations for assets like Caesars Legion., the entire ending sequence for fallout 3 and most if not all of Fo3's writing and lets definitely disregard the combat in the last 2 games that consisted of relying on VAT's and we can see that behind it all you just have gamer entitlement issues and you dont deserve a good game just because you payed for it and because we told you you were going to get it.

Overall if you didnt like the fact that instead of actually being a good game that you wanted and expected from a series you got a shitty and over hyped, lazy steaming pile of shit. It's not because it could have been avoided by Bethesda by actually putting the time and effort into making a complete game that satisfies both fans of the series and newcomers instead of baiting and switching every loyal fan and only trying to appeal to The Walking Dead's market it's because you're an entitled baby.
If you have any problem with anything I just said I'll strawman all of your arguments on the fact that fallout 3 was just a change from the older games rather then just having shitty writing like it did.

!this is all satire!
 
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Saying "I don't like a thing about this game" is not an issue of entitlement. I'm not saying that Bethesda needs to make a game that I like, I'm just saying that I don't like the game they're making.

It's fine to not like stuff. There are hundreds of games, books, movies, sandwiches, etc. that I don't personally like for one reason or another. Not liking something doesn't have anything to do with entitlement, it's just a matter of personal preferences. Not liking something is not demanding someone to change it into something you like.

It's entirely possible that Fallout 4 is just going to be a game I would not enjoy. You know how I will respond to that? By not buying it, just like how I don't buy any of the other games I don't expect to enjoy.

If you make an old schoolish RPG with a serious emphasis on roleplaying as well as choice and consequence I'm probably going to buy that. If you make a modern "RPG" that's a consequence free power fantasy and a loot-cave depletion simulator, I'm probably not. Not all games need to be for me, but I'm simply not that interested in the ones that aren't.
 
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Saying "I don't like a thing about this game" is not an issue of entitlement. I'm not saying that Bethesda needs to make a game that I like, I'm just saying that I don't like the game they're making.

It's fine to not like stuff. There are hundreds of games, books, movies, sandwiches, etc. that I don't personally like for one reason or another. Not liking something doesn't have anything to do with entitlement, it's just a matter of personal preferences. Not liking something is not demanding someone to change it into something you like.

It's entirely possible that Fallout 4 is just going to be a game I would not enjoy. You know how I will respond to that? By not buying it, just like how I don't buy any of the other games I don't expect to enjoy.

This guy doesn't know what sarcasm or satire is.
 
Moral of the story, beths writing could be better muck they like the buckz better.
 
You are right. Why should we bother voicing our criticism to how Bethesda has completely butchered the soul of one of the greatest RPGs ever made and then popularized it to new generations as an incredibly stupid and dumbed down carcass of it's former self? We should all just shut up and silently consume those crappy products from Bethesda that are designed in order to appeal to the more simple-minded and unsophisticated masses which have little to no taste for descent writing and have absolutely no idea of what an RPG is supposed to be. That is the way things should be.
 
Perhaps the OP should have put his small print at the top in very large print. Several posts confirm what I have been telling people for years, a lot of people can read, but very few can actually comprehend.
 
Fandoms in general are entitled, whiny babies. They all believe they have some right to a thing they enjoy being the exact way they want it to be. The OP is defending this mindset obviously.

Metroid fans went NUTS over that cutesy Metroid game coming out and Mega64 lampooned it by calling for the devs deaths to mock those people.

This is the stuff I simply don't get. If a franchise takes a turn you don't like, move on. Enjoy the part of it you liked and ignore the rest. This weird "I like it so much so I've got to obsess and get mad over it changing for the rest of time" mindset makes no sense to me. It's not yours. You don't own it.
 
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Perhaps the OP should have put his small print at the top in very large print. Several posts confirm what I have been telling people for years, a lot of people can read, but very few can actually comprehend.

in my defense the "this is satire" small print did not exist when I penned my response. It was just a case of Poe's law in effect, for which I am not ashamed.
 
Poe's Law applies to nearly everything on the 'net, specifically forums, as I think most of us tend to read a post and infer our own attitude to the text. Or think it directed at them and get defensive. Hence why so often they degrade into "shouting matches" instead of reasoned debate. There certainly is an entitlement mentality in our culture today, but sadly most who feel it are the first to deny its existence.
 
That depends on what you mean by entitlement.

Do we as people not have the right to criticize the things that other people make?

Are people not naturally entitled to certain inalienable rights?

I don't spend much time out of my day going after Fallout 4, mostly because I don't care all that much about it.

It's like The Room for me.

I shit on it because I love it.

Except Fallout 4 is more along the lines of "I want it to be good, why aren't they doing better with it?"

I can accept that there are people who like where it is currently, that's fine, people can like what I don't like, it's not like they're chopping off a piece of my dick.

I like exploration and discovery too, it's fun!

But... when these people accept, no, celebrate mediocre writing and game design, that's when I start to get a little perturbed.
 
I think the issue is that the line between "acceptable criticism" and "entitlement" is one that's easily crossed by nothing more than hyperbole.

Like "I didn't like the ending to Mass Effect 3" is a reasonable criticism. "The ending to Mass Effect 3 was so bad it ruined my enjoyment of the series" is hyperbole (as it couldn't conceivably go backwards in time and take away the fun you already had.) "The ending of Mass Effect 3 was so bad that Bioware has to fix it [to be something I like better]" is entitlement plain and simple.

(Full Disclosure, I absolutely loved the ending to Mass Effect 3, it's my personal favorite video game ending, F*** the haters; the extended cut was a terrible idea though and pretty much ruined it.)

It's the line between "I would like it if they did this" and "they need to do this." You just have to understand the line between "stating a preference" and "making demands on someone to which you have no right to make demands".
 
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