The Non-American Politics Thread

1. I said terrosit attacks don't matter much? Man ,you truly are hallucinating. I showed you a list of Christian Terrorist attacks because you asked for it, you even acted as if finding them was a challenge.

2. See, I am not a racist idiot who generalizes and entire culture based on the actions of extremists,
3. I am just showing how hypocrital your entire position is
4. when you just avoid even acknowledging any of the acts of violence and death your preferred group of "good doers" takes part in, even outright ignoring how the US is repsonsible for more civillian deaths than Islamic Terrorist in the past 10 years.
5. Hell the US funded, armed and trained many of the groups that evntually became ISIS and Alquaeda.
6. You seem to think that just because is called a war atrocities stop beign atrocities.

7. "Would you prefer we just not fire on our enemies and try to play nice while they shoot at us?" - More than likely what extremist leaders tell their followers the night after a drone strike hits a wedding full of civilians.

8. See you seem convinced that your country is capable of no wrong doing, if they declare wars to you it must be righteous,
9. even when they are transparently done to gain political power, even at the expense of the people they leave behind.

10. You then say that "you don't ignore facts because they hurt your feelings" yet you are actively doing just tha tall over this thread.



11. Talk about reading comprehension, that article wasn't even psoted by me but by Cnri.
1. You immediately attempted to attack my proof of Islamic terrorism with "omg the Christians do it too". You can keep throwing out that hallucination line btw. Although it won't make it true tho no matter how many times you say it.
2. When the majority of that culture does something, it's not a generalization, it's the truth.
3. Well you're not doing a very good job about it
4. I just got finished addressing this. Learn to read.
5. Never claimed they didn't.
6. You seem to live in fairytale land where war doesn't have to be ugly
7. Baseless conjecture
8. Never claimed this
9. Welcome to human history
10. Oh look I have to repeat myself again. I've addressed everything that's been brought at me. Please find a new song to sing because this one is getting old.
11. You used that article in your argument. I never claimed you posted it, but you certainly used it.

EDIT: You know what. Feel free to PM me if you want to continue this. You're going around and circles and I'm tired of constantly repeating myself and discussing American politics in the NON-American politics thread.
 
1. I only linked the list of christian terrorism after you asked for one, the fact that you have twisted this into somehow apologism for Islamic terrorism really shows how desperate you are.
2. "The Majority" of the population according to absolutely nothing. Lets also ignore the reason why those extremist regimes are a direct results of US intervention.
4. You haven't addressed this at all, you are actually doing what you are accusing me of doing, just saying they aren't as important and even ignore the fact that the numbers of civilians deaths at the hands of the US militar yis bigger. You just keep closing your eyes and covering your ears.
5. But you keep ignoring it while claiming that they are in such awful state because of thier own evil culture.
6. You seem to live in the world of propaganda where you are happily advocating for atrocities while sitting on your first world bubble, not even bothering to think for yourself and just accepting it as "We are just attackign our enemies".
7. Obvious sidestepping and ignoring facts.
8. Yet you seem pretty okay with wars commited by your country that result in the death of millions while claiming every act of a muslim represents the whole culture.
9. Good cop out there buddy.
10. You have addressed nothing.
11. I never even referenced that article once, so... reading comprehension?
 
How about you visit the sources listed then? You know, actually look up the links instead of trying to dismiss it entirely because you're desperate for a retort.
You made a claim, I asked for your statistic, you showed a graph, without links to it, now I am calling you on the sources and you say "look for them". That's not how it goes mate. I looked in to it already. And I question the scientific rigor that should go in surveys of such complexity. You have to prove that it is accurate. Not me. I never claimed it's truth or validity. You did. The burden of proof is on you. Show me that it is accurate. Don't just say, seach for the sources on their website! We are not on Jeopardy. So let ME do some of YOUR work here ...

Here is their webpage:
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/

I had to fucking type the stuff from that image you posted in my browser, you could not even be arsed to give the link? So much to show the validity of said paper. But here it is:
www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

Alright! So, now here we are, a PDF of 200+ pages full of numbers, data and information. Hmm. Let me see what we can make out of it. First, what was the tonality of the survey? Who have been the people they asked? They also left some nations out, like Iran and Saudi-Arabia - so much to making a general statement about ALL Muslims are like that.

There is also no reference to draw from, how can those data be compared to other religions, like the catholic faith, or christian faith asa whole. I am not saying this survey isn't even interesting. I just question it's validity. Right now, it's pretty useless, since you can't compare it. They would have to do another survey, of the same scope, with the other big 5 religions if they really want to prove that Islam is somehow special among them. There is also the issue, how the questions were framed, which might explain some of the contradictions:

Pew's data shows the share of Muslims who support sharia and the share of these pro-sharia Muslims who back this policy. Some of the Pew data are charted at right. Leaving the faith is a particularly sensitive issue in Islam, which was initially founded in part as a sort of community. Abandoning Islam is traditionally considered not just apostasy, as it is in other religions, but a specific transgression called "ridda." In the first days of Islam, the religion was also a physical community under siege from outside forces and facing the possibility of fracturing within. To leave the faith was also to abandon the larger community, a crime considered akin to treason in the way we understand it in the West. Of course, times have changed significantly over the past 13 or 14 centuries, and a lone Muslim deciding to adopt a different faith or give it up altogether is no longer a practical threat to his or her community in the way that he or she might have been back then. But the religious pronouncements commanding punishment for ridda are still right there in the scripture, which may explain in part why this view persists. It's also important to note that majorities of Muslims in the countries surveyed, sometimes vast majorities, said they support religious freedom. That includes, for example, more than 75 percent of Egyptians and more than 95 percent of Pakistanis. It might seem like a glaring contradiction. And it is a contradiction, but it might make a little more sense that so many people could hold seemingly mutually exclusive views -- religious freedom is good, but anyone who leaves Islam should be executed -- if one understands the particular history of apostasy in Islam.
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In fact, according to the 2013 Pew Research Center report, 88 percent of Muslims in Egypt and 62 percent of Muslims in Pakistan favor the death penalty for people who leave the Muslim religion. This is also the majority view among Muslims in Malaysia, Jordan and the Palestinian territories. It's important to note, though, that this view is not widely held in all Muslim countries or even among Muslims in these regions. In Bangladesh, another majority Muslim South Asian state that has a shared heritage with Pakistan, it is about half as prevalent, with 36 percent saying they support it. Fewer than one in six Tunisian Muslims hold the view, as do fewer than one in seven Muslims in Lebanon, which has a strong Christian minority. The view is especially rare among Central Asian and European Muslims. Only 6 percent of Russian Muslims agree that converts from Islam should face death, as do 1 percent of Albanian Muslims and, at the bottom of the chart, 0.5 percent of Kazakhs.

I am still not convinced that the Islam is special to Christianity or Judaism, and no here denied the danger that can come from religious believs. All the survey shows, in my opinion, is that in regions with less education and higher poverty you see a higher number of religious beliefs. Which isn't surprising, as similar situations appear in the western world, where extreme views and racism can be higher in areas with lower education.

This is why it is important to actually compare religions and surveys to each other, and not just go, here we made this survey, and it shows muslims do this and that.


I don't think Islam as a religion its self promotes violence. How some of its so-called "followers" twist and interpret it is a whole other story.
It can, and does promote viollence in some instances. No one here ever dennied the issue of religious texts. While I don't agree with islamophobes and racists like Vergil or Illuminati here, I do not believe that you can simply exclude the fanatics from the religion as whole.
See, when you take a book like the Bible or the Quaran and take it literaly, which you can, you pretty much follow the religion. Christians and Muslims often say, the fanatics are not true and following the wrong interpretation. But the big question is, who's to say what the correct interpretation is? Not long ago, you had Popes giving their interpretation about what faith is, and people had to follow it, or well, burn. To say, those are not part of their religion, is closing your eyes from the truth. Even schoolars in the christian and muslim worlds knew about this when they discussed it from a theological and philosophical point. Are religious texts, like the Bible, man made interpretations of gods will? Or are they a direct message from god that should be taken literal? The consequences, historically speaking, can be very dramatic.
 
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Keep your shirt on, this is a politics thread, discussing politics here is kosher. What the fuck are we going to use it for otherwise?

Well gee, I don't know, how about actual politics? I'm sure there's a lot of interesting stuff going on with Merkel and Cameron right about now. Going back and forth bashing/defending a religion has absolutely nothing to do with politics. It's just noise for the sake of noise. It's not like anyone's going to have a reasonable debate about this, you're all tearing each other's throats out. No one's going to walk away happy unless we discuss some actual politics and not dreg up something that should have died 2 forum threads ago.
 
But the discussions two threads ago were about completely different topics, the only thing they have in common with this one is lefties getting buttblasted and calling people racists. Which happens in any remotely political discussion they ever get involved in.
 
But the discussions two threads ago were about completely different topics, the only thing they have in common with this one is lefties getting buttblasted and calling people racists. Which happens in any remotely political discussion they ever get involved in.

What are the other political discussions?
Oh, those without any leftists? I see
 
But the discussions two threads ago were about completely different topics, the only thing they have in common with this one is lefties getting buttblasted and calling people racists. Which happens in any remotely political discussion they ever get involved in.
Indeed, people. It's an important distinction that he's a racial realist. Because by the magic of science learned from Internet blogs africans are somehow so different from caucasians that we can apply terminology from r/K-selection theory to them. Which doesn't make any sense whatsoever, but at least it sounds scientific. And by inductive logic that must be true, then!
Seriously mate, people call you racist because you are racist.
 
Islam isn't a race, genius.

Fascism then. Better?
You're passing a lot of judgement on entire populations, bulks at the time. You have also made comparisons between certain populations and rats. You then took 10-20 pages to explain your angle, and you've been met with a patience that has been just staggering to behold.
 
Fascism then. Better?
You're passing a lot of judgement on entire populations, bulks at the time. You have also made comparisons between certain populations and rats. You then took 10-20 pages to explain your angle, and you've been met with a patience that has been just staggering to behold.
I honestly don't remember the rat thing, when did I do that?

And that's not what fascism is.
 
I'm fine with our monarchy here. It's completely impotent as any kind of authority, but it is "binding", culturally, and still has that effect. Norwegians would very likely rally around their royalty, in a way similar to WW2. I'm imagining that for most monarchies, theyr royals are too snobby and corrupt to be very charming, but ours are - so far - quite down to earth.
 
IIRC, Britain isn't really a monarchy, is it? I mean, they have a king and queen, yeah, but doesn't Parliament make all the real descisions? Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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