Gonzalez
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
For those of you complaining about my nationalism, just be thankful most of you are from far away Europe and you don't actually have to be our neighbors... 
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Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
Gonzalez
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
DarkCorp
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
I actually can respect your nationalism Gonzalez. Whether or not I like a strong Argentina that might equal the U.S. or Russia some day is a completely different matter.
What the naïve 'hippies', do not understand is that, deep down, humans have historically been nationalistic. As soon as one group got to organizing themselves into a bigger group, their opponents did the same. That's how the concept of nations formed. Don't want to get bossed around by someone else, get strong and fight back.
After all, look at history for example. Those who didn't pick on anyone, GOT picked on.
Native Americans, Africans, Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Thai, Cambodian, Laotian, etc..
All throughout history, there were those who maintained strong military policies and thrived because of it and the dreamers of peace who got stomped on. Nobody will make your nation strong except YOU, rt people supporting policies that make sure the military doesn't get cut and are pro supporting our allies.
Science and technology will make resource competition obsolete but until then, its up to nations to stand on their own.
What the naïve 'hippies', do not understand is that, deep down, humans have historically been nationalistic. As soon as one group got to organizing themselves into a bigger group, their opponents did the same. That's how the concept of nations formed. Don't want to get bossed around by someone else, get strong and fight back.
After all, look at history for example. Those who didn't pick on anyone, GOT picked on.
Native Americans, Africans, Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Thai, Cambodian, Laotian, etc..
All throughout history, there were those who maintained strong military policies and thrived because of it and the dreamers of peace who got stomped on. Nobody will make your nation strong except YOU, rt people supporting policies that make sure the military doesn't get cut and are pro supporting our allies.
Science and technology will make resource competition obsolete but until then, its up to nations to stand on their own.
Actually, the whole "nationalism" thing is rather young, really becoming a thing only in the 19th century. People didn't really give a shit about borders (as they were ever changing) and their leaders. When wars were deadly enough to require large standing armies and a draft it became en vogue (and encouraged) to really associate oneself with the country you had to die for.
The problem with the modern interpretation and reception of nationalism is that it most of the time does not include civic nationalism or one of the other liberal forms, but mostly refers to a form of ethnic nationalism.
DarkCorp
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
I think we are agreeing here.
At some point, fights got beyond fighting with one another or even big fights with out own countrymen. It eventually became, US VS THEM.
Although some empire were different than others.
For example, the Chinese were an ethnically homogenized empire, made up of Chinese and had more of a system of tribute rather than direct rule, same with the Mongols. One could argue ethnic nationalism in this case but I think it could be both national/ethnic.
Whereas an empire like Macedon, Rome or Persia, had more ethnic nationalism, those who WERE Roman, Macedonian, Persian, I am certain had their fair share of national/imperial pride.
At some point, fights got beyond fighting with one another or even big fights with out own countrymen. It eventually became, US VS THEM.
Although some empire were different than others.
For example, the Chinese were an ethnically homogenized empire, made up of Chinese and had more of a system of tribute rather than direct rule, same with the Mongols. One could argue ethnic nationalism in this case but I think it could be both national/ethnic.
Whereas an empire like Macedon, Rome or Persia, had more ethnic nationalism, those who WERE Roman, Macedonian, Persian, I am certain had their fair share of national/imperial pride.
Illuminati Confirmed!
Banned
Despite nationalism not really being a thing before the 1800s, people did give a fuck about differences in culture, language, tradition, religion, etc...
Nationalism itself is not a bad thing. But when in service of state power, it can be.
Nationalism itself is not a bad thing. But when in service of state power, it can be.
Gonzalez
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
Nationalism is only a thing after the 1800 because the concept of nation and nation-states was new as well. That doesn't mean the romans or the greek did not had simmilar feelings toward their empire or republic, or that the english and the french didn't disliked each other during the time of the kingdoms before states were formed.
Throatpunch
Banned
Friendly national pride and patriotism is fun, you should see our football fans:
People take it too far though. In our country a member of a nationalist group stabbed and shot an MP. She was a nice person with kids. A really sad tradgedy.
Nationalism like that is not OK.
People take it too far though. In our country a member of a nationalist group stabbed and shot an MP. She was a nice person with kids. A really sad tradgedy.
Nationalism like that is not OK.
AskWazzup
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
I'm still trying to form my opinion on this, but more and more i see nationalism as a means for occupied, oppressed cultures/countries to escape the said oppression. Once that is done and you have a nice democratic rule, it only seems to bring the worst out of people. Logic/reason gets triumphed by emotion and what you get is senseless violence, that breaks out to wars (the two most horrific ones in the history of human kind).
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Gonzalez
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
NMA has done it again, take a comedic video and truned it into a serious political discussion. Internet... is serious business...
Ragemage
Wept for Zion
Considering the new Pope is from Argentina, does that effect Argentina's standing with other Latin American countries? After all, since the only Latin American country less than 70% Catholic is Uruguay, I would imagine that gives Argentina a little more sway in politics down there. Is that why all this Argentina nationalism has started flaring up again?
AskWazzup
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
You should do the opposite then. I once made a serious thread about "why people like music" (or something like that) and it turned into a not so serious discussion about anal sex.
Gonzalez
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
We are a medieval superpower
Rather than political sway now everyone in LA criticizes the Pope. What does that tell you?