Armored Vehicles in the Interplay Fallout Verse

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A troop transport that can't carry troops, a reconnaissance vehicle that's too conspicuous to do reconnaissance, and a quasi-tank that has less armor than a snowblower, but has enough ammo to take out half of D.C.

Though this is a pretty accurate description of Bethesda's APC from Fallout 4, it does raise the question: What would armored vehicles in the Interplay Fallout Verse look like, or be inspired by?

Oh, and to get it out of the way early, I'm not referring to the M4 Sherman style tank, from Fallout Tactics.
 
Fallout: Tactics had conventional tanks. [IIRC] 14° East had a consultant at Interplay, to ensure everything was reasonably okay and/or accurate with the Falllout IP... so presumably Fallout Tactics' tanks and other vehicles were considered okay.
 
The lore implied that the US army didn't really use tanks anymore, but you already know that. I personally always wondered why they didn't use nuclear energy to power vertibirds and tanks. If they could do it on cars, why not helicopters and armored vehicles?
 
The lore implied that the US army didn't really use tanks anymore, but you already know that. I personally always wondered why they didn't use nuclear energy to power vertibirds and tanks. If they could do it on cars, why not helicopters and armored vehicles?
It's really weird not to use nuclear power for vertibirds or other aircraft, since Mr. Handy uses vertical electric fans powered with a nuclear battery and can hover for years. They do have compact safe nuclear power as seen with microfusion cells, nuclear cars and power armor.
 
It's really weird not to use nuclear power for vertibirds or other aircraft, since Mr. Handy uses vertical electric fans powered with a nuclear battery and can hover for years. They do have compact safe nuclear power as seen with microfusion cells, nuclear cars and power armor.
If I have to be honest the entire war over oil doesn't seem to make much sense to me. It could have been valuable to China, but the US had developed MF cells, which means not just fusion, but also a micro-version of fusion!!! They could have single-handedly solved their energetic problem, maybe even stopped the war with China (sharing the invention, of course).
 
If I have to be honest the entire war over oil doesn't seem to make much sense to me. It could have been valuable to China, but the US had developed MF cells, which means not just fusion, but also a micro-version of fusion!!! They could have single-handedly solved their energetic problem, maybe even stopped the war with China (sharing the invention, of course).
It's believable though. Oil isn't only useful as energy source. Also it's quite possible that US only recently began producing energy cells and these quantities still didn't cover public demand, as most of them went to the military. Nuclear powered cars only began being manufactured (contrary to what Bethesda tries to show, where each and every car is a nuke, a red barrel for this shooter).
 
It's believable though. Oil isn't only useful as energy source. Also it's quite possible that US only recently began producing energy cells and these quantities still didn't cover public demand, as most of them went to the military. Nuclear powered cars only began being manufactured (contrary to what Bethesda tries to show, where each and every car is a nuke, a red barrel for this shooter).
Well as far as I know oil is also employed for some plastic materials...however at its core it's just a mix of several hydrocarbons, so I assume that with the huge amount of energy that fusion can produce plastic wouldn't be a problem. The other explanation could be more bilievable, maybe they were too caught in war, maybe to proud to cooperate with their enemies. Fallout is also about the errors of man, after all.
 
A troop transport that can't carry troops, a reconnaissance vehicle that's too conspicuous to do reconnaissance, and a quasi-tank that has less armor than a snowblower, but has enough ammo to take out half of D.C.

Though this is a pretty accurate description of Bethesda's APC from Fallout 4, it does raise the question: What would armored vehicles in the Interplay Fallout Verse look like, or be inspired by?

Oh, and to get it out of the way early, I'm not referring to the M4 Sherman style tank, from Fallout Tactics.

Well, we don't know, BUT, based on the fact that Fallout is the Jetsons as envisioned by the 1950s, I'm gonna say hoover.

Maybe not the frontline vehicles, but the armored scouting cars, howitzers, etc, hover and only have rudimentary all-wheel drive capacity for emergency breakdown purposes. This would make almost all-terrain vehicle appropriate, no matter how muddy or rocky or shitty. And if it helps Jules does mention hover capacity and anti-grav plates for the Highwayman after beating the Enclave. Tanks and IFVs if not the same thing, would be based on the same chassis for ease of maintenance and production. Wide tracked for invading the Soviet Union on shitty roads and tracking down partisans in third world conflict, which extensive use of anti grav plates as needed to get the vehicles out of mud or trenches or across weak bridges.

Oh and given the nature of overengineering in the prewar (the crappy water chip lasts 90 years without maintenance remember?) These tanks are SUPER COMPLICATED but rarely break down, but if they do and a retreat is called for, the tanks are torched rather than defended.

Stocks of armored vehicles in the States would be very very VERY low, with exports to Allied European and African countries: they help friendly regimes maintain order and then those regimes give resources to the Americans in kind. Except when Chinese subs sunk them. The Battle of the Atlantic is EVERYWHERE and US Navy is trying to preserve the trade structure that made the Pax Americana possible.

Power armor is used so much because they can maneuver in rough terrain around Chinese formations and power armor is by definition made for crowd control. Tanks are used as blocks while more cost-effective power armor flanks and destroy, with tanks and IFV's being used as pursuit.

EDIT: In short, never forget that military vehicles are designed around doctrine, not the other way around. So to understand what the vehicles might have looked like we need to examine doctrine, which there's no evidence of, and we can only conjecture based on the technology we've actually seen.
 
If I have to be honest the entire war over oil doesn't seem to make much sense to me. It could have been valuable to China, but the US had developed MF cells, which means not just fusion, but also a micro-version of fusion!!! They could have single-handedly solved their energetic problem, maybe even stopped the war with China (sharing the invention, of course).
The US just didn't want the Commies to have the last reserves of oil, or anyone but the US. Remember that the uS even annexed Canada and Mexico to have oil and to prevent China from acquiring it. I reckon that this make sense in-universe, as this heavy blow would cripple China even more, perhaps making the country stop being communist. But that's just a hypothesis to little-to-no evidence...
 
If I have to be honest the entire war over oil doesn't seem to make much sense to me. It could have been valuable to China, but the US had developed MF cells, which means not just fusion, but also a micro-version of fusion!!! They could have single-handedly solved their energetic problem, maybe even stopped the war with China (sharing the invention, of course).
Adding to what Mepple said above, iirc it's also because the invention of the microfusion cells was a little too late to begin mass manufacture and commercialization into the market. They would've 'save the world', so to speak, but before they could do it the nukes were already launching left and right. It's the reason why Mr. House opted to save what little he could with his tower in the middle Mojave, as he projected and extrapolated from the data available years before the Great War, instead of trying to prevent the end of the world as we know it.
 
Adding to what Mepple said above, iirc it's also because the invention of the microfusion cells was a little too late to begin mass manufacture and commercialization into the market. They would've 'save the world', so to speak, but before they could do it the nukes were already launching left and right. It's the reason why Mr. House opted to save what little he could with his tower in the middle Mojave, as he projected and extrapolated from the data available years before the Great War, instead of trying to prevent the end of the world as we know it.
To be honest I think that House didn't care to save the entirety of America because he simply disagreed with how things were run.

Your microfusion hypothesis could be an explanation, it's possibile they were already too deep in the war and didn't want to cooperate.
 
To be honest I think that House didn't care to save the entirety of America because he simply disagreed with how things were run.
I don't think that's the case, because he disagreed with how NCR is run but still lets their citizens come pouring into Vegas because of money. And I think if he can stop the Great War, which would mean more people alive, which would also mean more money, he would do it without second thought.
 
I don't think that's the case, because he disagreed with how NCR is run but still lets their citizens come pouring into Vegas because of money. And I think if he can stop the Great War, which would mean more people alive, which would also mean more money, he would do it without second thought.
Yes, but he if America had survived as a political entity he couldn't have become ruler of Vegas and fulfill his plans. He hated democracy (look out of the window quote) and acknowledged the War was his opportunity.

(I'll double check his dialogues later to confirm)
 
Yes, but he if America had survived as a political entity he couldn't have become ruler of Vegas and fulfill his plans. He hated democracy (look out of the window quote) and acknowledged the War was his opportunity.
With how much he planned for his dreams, I doubt he would be too transfixed on being ruler of Vegas. Especially since he said this:
By the time I was 30 years old, I was a billionaire 30 times over. I founded and ran a vast economic empire. Do you really think I'm going to let an upstart come into my home and ransom my property to me? I spent two centuries searching for the Platinum Chip. It's my invention, my property - mine. Now be a good courier and deliver it!
In other words, what he had before the Great War was obviously far greater than Vegas. The Great War simply wiped the slate clean for him to paint his brush on the new canvas. Neither is better than the other, especially for a man with plans like House.
 
Yeah I also don't buy that Mr House wanted the old world and democracy eliminated. Had the US not fallen Mr House through Robco and his other holdings and inventions would have had great influence over the nation, especially if his off world mining program had taken off.
As long as it served him Mr House would not have objected against democracy as long as those the most fit for ruling were in charge.

Also think the same what most have said here.
The US wanted the remaining oil perhaps for fuel uses but probably even more because it is required for certain manufacturing processes.
It could perhaps even have been required to buy time for US power generation and usage economy to switch over to fusion cells which I also think were invented a little too late.

Is it mentioned in Fallout 2 that anti gravity existed? I can imagine something like engines/thrusters that allow a vehicle to hoover but anti gravity still sounds a little too complex.

I don't think threaded/wheeled vehicles were out of use once hoover technology was developed. I imagine the technology for wheeled vehicles to still be more reliable then any hoover tank or hoover truck.
Perhaps some of those existed for difficult terrain but the majority of armored vehicles were probably previously gasoline using vehicles that were being switched over to fusion cell powered engines.

And yeah, the APC in Fallout 4 is a shit design for any warzone.
 
What was America going to do? Let Communist China take over a state just because they don't 'need' the oil for energy? Alaska itself is more than just oil, too. It's fucking huge, there's mining, all that stuff.

Add to that nearly two hundred years of on and off red scares, black scares, pinko scares, the cold war mentality for at least a hundred and thirty odd years...America probably thought 'we'll bleed China white and they'll go white', and hell the USA was in the Gobi and in the Yangtze by the end of the war.
 
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What about the equipment seen in the Sierra army depot? Robots and stuff
 
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