Bethesda allegedly pulls negative Fallout: New Vegas review

Ausir said:
Maybe they'll just buy Obsidian?
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I can actually see Zenimax doing that, but I wonder whether Obsidian will let themselves be bought or not.

As for the poster above, I don't understand what's so "tard" in noting that reviewers didn't really care about writing. Heck, some have already outright said that Fallout 3's writing is superior.
 
Lexx said:
Bethesda should give any future fallouts to obsidian and be done with it. If Bethesda is making Fallout 4, it will fail once again.
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Maybe it won't be the game you want,but 5 million plus copies and several goty adwards ..is far from failing ! :shock:
 
Well, it's their right to do what they want with their money. The rest is just interpretation. I never saw the said review so I can't comment, but it's quite possible it was shittily written and thus pulled.
 
Dan Hsu pointing fingers, eh? Well, how about one pointed right back at him: I seem to recall him giving Gears of War an A+, a 10/10, meanwhile detailing that it had control issues, broken multiplayer, linear levels, lag, bad AI, bad storytelling, and bad dialog. Could it be that he bowed to MS pressure?

http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3154958

Glass houses, Dan. Glass houses.
 
AlibyebyeEssmob said:
Dan Hsu pointing fingers, eh? Well, how about one pointed right back at him: I seem to recall him giving Gears of War an A+, a 10/10, meanwhile detailing that it had control issues, broken multiplayer, linear levels, lag, bad AI, bad storytelling, and bad dialog. Could it be that he bowed to MS pressure?

http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3154958

Glass houses, Dan. Glass houses.
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Well, at least he actually addressed the faults instead of glossing over them like so many reviewers do.

Cognitive dissonance. It pays to read between the lines and ignore the headline.
 
WorstUsernameEver said:
...do you remember reviews calling them out on the decline in writing?
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No, not at all. Not even one.

Bethesda has amazing writers, actually. The books in Morrowind and Oblivion (most of which were carried over) are a testament to that. Granted, many of those writers have probably long since left (I've never bothered to uncover the names of those individuals) but they at least used to have an understand and appreciation of quality prose.

As for the quest writing.. well.. I don't remember anything in Morrowind that really blew me away. It was all passable but nothing really left a strong impression (save, perhaps, that "last dwarf" quest).

Oblivion had decent structuring in some respects (thieves and assassin's guild missions / introductions weren't horrible) and Fallout 3 elevated their quest design structure (i.e. multitiered quests) but, on the whole, Bethesda's claim to fame are the virtual worlds ... and even these aren't excellently realized (they just have little in the way of market competition).

WorstUsernameEver said:
Ausir said:
Maybe they'll just buy Obsidian?
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I can actually see Zenimax doing that, but I wonder whether Obsidian will let themselves be bought or not.

As for the poster above, I don't understand what's so "tard" in noting that reviewers didn't really care about writing. Heck, some have already outright said that Fallout 3's writing is superior.
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Is Obsidian publicly traded? If so then they might not have the option to refuse.

As to the writing commentary, I haven't seen any reviewers claim the writing was superior. I've seen people posit that the story was superior, but more goes into the story than writing (structuring, scripting, the relevant personalities you meet and duties you inherent along the way, etc).
 
If they buy obsidian, wont they just fire most of them and absorb it into the hideous abomination that is Bethesda?
 
I doubt it. They bought Arkane and id and kept all of them, keeping their names and structure intact.

Bethesda buying Obsidian and giving Fallout license to them to work with would actually be amazing IMO. Zenimax is really quite a powerhouse these days - Rage could be great, Arkane's game will probably be something similar to Deus Ex/Arx Fatalis - potentially super interesting.
 
Doubt it, if only because they're on the other coast. And so far it looks like ZeniMax keeps their studios fairly independent.
 
Anarchosyn said:
Is Obsidian publicly traded? If so then they might not have the option to refuse.
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They're not listed on any stock exchange. The only thing listed under "Obsidian" is Obsidian Enterprises Inc (OBDE), which is based in Indianapolis.

It looks like they're private.
 
I don't know how truthful are this guy's allegations, considering the harsh Rock Paper Shotgun review. The critique is "boring world, boring story, poor implementation". No mention of bugs, though. I wouldn't mind the guy saying New Vegas is boring, but quoting FO3 as having interesting characters and locations doesn't do wonders the best for his rep...
 
yeah it is quite bizzare. This is a guy who loved Pathologic (which was indeed awesome) but he hates NV..bizzare
 
Paul_cz said:
yeah it is quite bizzare. This is a guy who loved Pathologic (which was indeed awesome) but he hates NV..bizzare
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It's the same guy? I don't know about Pathologic but his review piqued my interest in The Void, back then, and the game delivered as the review promised. Bizarre, indeed.
 
WorstUsernameEver said:
smber2cnma said:
Now that NV has shown the sort of writing Fallout could/should have - FO4 will be held to that standard.
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I somehow doubt that.
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It won't be they will have some type of an "epic battle" where the player is a best a spectator along with a straightforward plot that spoon-feeds everything to the player and it will be hailed as a masterpiece.
 
WorstUsernameEver said:
EDIT: And also, I can't honestly see why they would even waste their time on such a small website.
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To avoid setting a precedent that larger sites could use to breach embargos in the future.

zkylon said:
I don't know how truthful are this guy's allegations, considering the harsh Rock Paper Shotgun review. The critique is "boring world, boring story, poor implementation". No mention of bugs, though. I wouldn't mind the guy saying New Vegas is boring, but quoting FO3 as having interesting characters and locations doesn't do wonders the best for his rep...
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To be fair, what he seemed to like most about the Fallout 3 world was the "kooky, occasionally even cartoonish characters" and the BoS and Super Mutants being so dominant. Sounds to me like the parts of the world that he liked was the black and white morality and goofy stuff.

Back to Hsu, I really wish that he would name names, I'm not a fan of all of this ambiguous crap.
 
Dear God, that RPS review hurt me. I feel let down by them. I liked them a lot, and then they get the retarded reviewer who likes LOL SO RANDUMB shit.
 
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