Bethesda can make it so the DC Wasteland never existed

[The Suave Gambler]

Why can't they just treat fallout 3 as a "what if" scenario and make most of the story behind Fallout 4 originate from New Vegas? Both us and they know that New Vegas is the true sequel to Fallout 2, and that Fallout 3's writing was crap.

Theres almost nothing in Fallout 3 that would make a difference to the world as a whole. They could pretend that the Enclave WERE IN FACT defeated completely in Fallout 2 and that patches up all plot inconsistency.

 

[Walpknut]

Maybe because Fallout 3 wehter we like it or not sold a lot of copies and was the reason many people actually cared about plating New Vegas in the first place?

 

[Courier]

Isn't it already fan-canon that the events of Fallout 3 were an exaggerated propaganda version of actual events used for the training of BoS initiates in those virtual reality pod things? If not it should be.

Think about it; the BoS are glorified as saviors, there's a whole bunch of dumb evil super mutants that the BoS is "defending" the wasteland from, there's an evil "army" of Enclave survivors threatening to destroy the wasteland and only the BoS can stop them, the wasteland is exaggerated as being in much worse condition than it actually is until the BoS step in and "save" it, stupid stuff like giant robots and super mutant behemoths, etc.

Basically the events of Fallout 3 were sort of based on actual events, but greatly exaggerated and full of lies and propaganda. In the game you're actually playing as a BoS initiate who's been put into a virtual reality pod for training/a "history" lesson.


Edit: If you can make yourself believe that this is all true, Fallout 3 actually becomes playable.

Edit: Operation Anchorage is a propaganda-filled virtual reality simulation within a propaganda-filled virtual reality simulation. It's like Inception.

 

[Oppen]

Hmmmmmmmm, why the BoS would want their initiates to believe such things? They would actually training them like the "I'm a savior in a shiny armor", in fact, the outcasts show how the ones who believe the original ideology are treated like they missed the priorities. Doesn't make sense that way either.

 

[Courier]

Hmmmmmmmm, why the BoS would want their initiates to believe such things? They would actually training them like the "I'm a savior in a shiny armor", in fact, the outcasts show how the ones who believe the original ideology are treated like they missed the priorities. Doesn't make sense that way either.

I said it was probably based on actual events.

The Capital Wasteland BoS probably did split into two different factions and have a civil war; the victorious "real" BoS who you're training for are glorified as saints who only want to help the citizens of the wasteland, while the Outcasts are portrayed as pretentious self-serving douchebags.

History is written by the victors. You're training to be part of the side that was victorious.

Edit: The BoS that you're training to be part of probably actually did stray from the original BoS ideology, but it was most likely for much more selfish reasons than "they just wanted to help the people of the wasteland". It's basically like saying that wars in the Middle East are to "fight terrorism" instead of admitting that they're for oil.

 

[The Suave Gambler]

Isn't it already fan-canon that the events of Fallout 3 were an exaggerated propaganda version of actual events used for the training of BoS initiates in those virtual reality pod things? If not it should be.

Think about it; the BoS are glorified as saviors, there's a whole bunch of dumb evil super mutants that the BoS is "defending" the wasteland from, there's an evil "army" of Enclave survivors threatening to destroy the wasteland and only the BoS can stop them, the wasteland is exaggerated as being in much worse condition than it actually is until the BoS step in and "save" it, stupid stuff like giant robots and super mutant behemoths, etc.

Basically the events of Fallout 3 were sort of based on actual events, but greatly exaggerated and full of lies and propaganda. In the game you're actually playing as a BoS initiate who's been put into a virtual reality pod for training/a "history" lesson.


Edit: If you can make yourself believe that this is all true, Fallout 3 actually becomes playable.

Edit: Operation Anchorage is a propaganda-filled virtual reality simulation within a propaganda-filled virtual reality simulation. It's like Inception.

Seems about right, I hope they do something similar to this.

 

[Ben]

Yep, Fallout 3 was the reason I gave 2 shits about the Fallout series. No thanks

 

[Surf Solar]

Isn't it already fan-canon that the events of Fallout 3 were an exaggerated propaganda version of actual events used for the training of BoS initiates in those virtual reality pod things? If not it should be.

Think about it; the BoS are glorified as saviors, there's a whole bunch of dumb evil super mutants that the BoS is "defending" the wasteland from, there's an evil "army" of Enclave survivors threatening to destroy the wasteland and only the BoS can stop them, the wasteland is exaggerated as being in much worse condition than it actually is until the BoS step in and "save" it, stupid stuff like giant robots and super mutant behemoths, etc.

Basically the events of Fallout 3 were sort of based on actual events, but greatly exaggerated and full of lies and propaganda. In the game you're actually playing as a BoS initiate who's been put into a virtual reality pod for training/a "history" lesson.


Edit: If you can make yourself believe that this is all true, Fallout 3 actually becomes playable.

Edit: Operation Anchorage is a propaganda-filled virtual reality simulation within a propaganda-filled virtual reality simulation. It's like Inception.

Why using some make-believe? This is pretty... dumb. The game is shit and not a worthy sucessor in the fallout series, deal with it. No matter how much you make up to cover that, it won't change.

 

[Joelzania]

Isn't it already fan-canon that the events of Fallout 3 were an exaggerated propaganda version of actual events used for the training of BoS initiates in those virtual reality pod things? If not it should be.

Think about it; the BoS are glorified as saviors, there's a whole bunch of dumb evil super mutants that the BoS is "defending" the wasteland from, there's an evil "army" of Enclave survivors threatening to destroy the wasteland and only the BoS can stop them, the wasteland is exaggerated as being in much worse condition than it actually is until the BoS step in and "save" it, stupid stuff like giant robots and super mutant behemoths, etc.

Basically the events of Fallout 3 were sort of based on actual events, but greatly exaggerated and full of lies and propaganda. In the game you're actually playing as a BoS initiate who's been put into a virtual reality pod for training/a "history" lesson.


Edit: If you can make yourself believe that this is all true, Fallout 3 actually becomes playable.

Edit: Operation Anchorage is a propaganda-filled virtual reality simulation within a propaganda-filled virtual reality simulation. It's like Inception.

It all makes sense now. Thank you, courier, for redeeming the games' horrible storyline.

 

[Moe Canibo]

The butthurt of some of the original Fallout fans around here is more pathetic then Bethesda's storytelling.

 

[Sub-Human]

Why using some make-believe? This is pretty... dumb. The game is shit and not a worthy sucessor in the fallout series, deal with it. No matter how much you make up to cover that, it won't change.

I agree. If they did this type of crap it'd just further make Bethesda look dumb. Ooh, we change this shit, we change that shit. It's like Call of Duty.

 

[Crni Vuk]

Maybe because Fallout 3 wehter we like it or not sold a lot of copies and was the reason many people actually cared about plating New Vegas in the first place?

Vegas was almost as succesfull though. Just saying.

People enjoy as well quality roleplaying/writting. At least as much like random lulz (Fallout 3)

The butthurt of some of the original Fallout fans around here is more pathetic then Bethesda's storytelling.

you came in here only to tell us that ?

Talking about "butthurt" and "pathetic" actions now ...

 

[Courier]

Why using some make-believe? This is pretty... dumb. The game is shit and not a worthy sucessor in the fallout series, deal with it. No matter how much you make up to cover that, it won't change.

It makes the game better, deal with it. The gameplay itself is still terrible regardless, but at least my theory justifies the stupid stuff and makes the game acceptable canon.

 

[Walpknut]

Maybe because Fallout 3 wehter we like it or not sold a lot of copies and was the reason many people actually cared about plating New Vegas in the first place?

Vegas was almost as succesfull though. Just saying.

People enjoy as well quality roleplaying/writting. At least as much like random lulz (Fallout 3)

But New Vegas was bought mostly by people that liked FO3. And while New Vegas was a much better game thna FO3 popular opinion is that it was inferior somehow, even the scores are lower, and well announcing "hey buyers, remember that game you liked? well we are gonna retcon it out of existence to please a niche audience, good day" it wouldn't be such a good idea. I am not defending FO3, I am just saying retconing it out would be a stupid move if they want to sell more fallout games.

And Well I don't have such a high opion about most "gamers", considering what you hear and read from people on the interwebz about games, even if you like them as much as them. But that is just me being an asshole I guess.

 

[TorontoReign]

It would alienate the fans that came in because of Fallout 3 only to appease a relatively small group of hardcore fans. While I applaud the idea of making Fallout 3 make sense, it would be ruined if Bethesda tried to be too clever. Fallout 3 does not change enough to warrant a semi-retcon since it only dealt with DC. Since it took place on the East Coast I think the West Coast is safe from it's idiocy.

@ Moe Canibo: This forum was here long before you came along, and will be here after you leave. Your attempt at Trolling is a fail since we have heard this shit a thousand times. These forums are mainly about discussing Fallout, so that is what we do. Are we supposed to not talk about Fallout 3? Are we supposed to praise a game that appeared to be written by Freshman Comp students?

I'm glad that Moe Canibo is such a cool guy. His insight into the NMA psyche is enlightening.

Fallout 3 was not a total loss for the series. Unless a future game takes place around the DC area, I think the Capitol Wasteland can be ignored, and the series can move one.

 

[Seasick]

Why can't they just treat fallout 3 as a "what if" scenario and make most of the story behind Fallout 4 originate from New Vegas? Both us and they know that New Vegas is the true sequel to Fallout 2, and that Fallout 3's writing was crap.

Theres almost nothing in Fallout 3 that would make a difference to the world as a whole. They could pretend that the Enclave WERE IN FACT defeated completely in Fallout 2 and that patches up all plot inconsistency.

While I do LOVE this idea, I prefer to treat Fallout 3 like a reboot, or spiritual successor to the originals. A Fallout for THIS Generation, meaning a Brown, poorly written FPS in an RPG costume.

 

[Brother None]

The butthurt of some of the original Fallout fans around here is more pathetic then Bethesda's storytelling.

Enough of your trolling. Strike.

 

[Surf Solar]

Why using some make-believe? This is pretty... dumb. The game is shit and not a worthy sucessor in the fallout series, deal with it. No matter how much you make up to cover that, it won't change.

It makes the game better, deal with it. The gameplay itself is still terrible regardless, but at least my theory justifies the stupid stuff and makes the game acceptable canon.

How does this make the game any better if you are making shit up while you play it? This is one of the most stupid things I've read for a while. It's the same as when someone LARPs that his character "takes a shit once a day" by hiding behind a house, unequipping his pants and if some guard accidently sees him doing that running around like a madman (as if the AI would care/recognize). Yay, let's play pretend things out of thin air!

 

[Courier]

How does this make the game any better if you are making shit up while you play it? This is one of the most stupid things I've read for a while.

Because the game is canon according to Bethesda whether you like it or not.

Now which version would you rather have as a canon part of the series; the version with giant robots and giant super mutants and lulzy nuclear explosions and saintlike BoS, or the version where all of that was a virtual reality simulation full of propaganda?


Also how the fuck is that "making shit up"? If it makes sense it's not "making shit up". Many people believe that Decker was a replicant in 'Blade Runner' even though that was never directly stated to be truth, is that "making shit up"? Many people believe that the bluish world of Zion in 'The Matrix' was still part of the matrix itself, even though this was never directly stated to be truth, is that "making shit up"? No, because there were hints dropped throughout both movies that this was the case.

It can also be argued that there were several hints dropped throughout Fallout 3 (albeit, unintentional hints), that point towards the entire plot being a virtual reality simulation. For instance those virtual reality pods are prominent throughout the entire game, and one of the DLC is about a propaganda-filled virtual reality simulation about training to be a soldier. Is it honestly that difficult to believe that Fallout 3 itself is just a BoS version of Operation Anchorage?


Face it, some fan theories can make things better.

It's the same as when someone LARPs that his character "takes a shit once a day" by hiding behind a house, unequipping his pants and if some guard accidently sees him doing that running around like a madman (as if the AI would care/recognize). Yay, let's play pretend things out of thin air!

The fuck? No it's not. The concept of a "theory" is not unique to games.

Cameron creates Ferris Bueller in his head. Zion is part of the Matrix. Decker is a replicant. "James Bond" is a code name, not an individual. Every moment of Inception is a dream.

How the fuck do any of these have to do with LARPing? Theories are not the same thing as "pretending".



Edit: Your entire argument consists of "How dare you try to make sense of the pile of shit that is Fallout 3? I hate it, therefore you are not allowed to prove that it's possible for the game to be consistent with the rest of the game series' universe."

 

[Surf Solar]

How does this make the game any better if you are making shit up while you play it? This is one of the most stupid things I've read for a while.

Because the game is canon according to Bethesda whether you like it or not.

Now which version would you rather have as a canon part of the series; the version with giant robots and giant super mutants and lulzy nuclear explosions and saintlike BoS, or the version where all of that was a virtual reality simulation full of propaganda?

I don't like the kewl robotz version and yet I am still able to accept that the game and the new canon is just that, shit. The story is crap aswell, but this is one of the lesser concerns about it (it's not like Fallout 2 wasn't stupid and did only bad to the canon) among so many failures. I don't need any justifications to make myself believe that "it's not a bad game!" or pretend it isn't so. Now if you can't accept that simple fact and like to invent many stories making it even more ridicolous (it's just a simulation!!1) you may do so, be my guest.

Also how the fuck is that "making shit up"? If it makes sense it's not "making shit up". Many people believe that Decker was a replicant in Blade Runner even though that was never directly stated to be truth, is that "making shit up"? No, because there were hints dropped throughout the movie that this was the case.

The difference is that Blade Runners director openly explained that Deckard is a Replicant, while there is nothing like that to be found in FO3 and none of the Developers hinted at such a thing. Unless no one officially says something like that, it's imaginary fanfiction and not your beloved "canon".