metron said:
I hate to break it to you, but anyone who got banned in that thread had it coming. It wasn't a witch hunt. Only people who said they posted here and agreed that it was A-OK to fuck with another member's job get banned.
HayT was fucking with his own job when he posted that. Most companies have policies on what you can say about your job outside of work publically. Given the nature of the games industry, I'd be willing to say they have that policy as well. In fact, it's rather obvious they have such policies or he wouldn't have gotten his ass in a sling over it.
The only thing NMA did was point out what HayT was saying on a public forum. There's absolutely nothing wrong with pointing out anything that someone makes public. If that person doesn't want something made public, then they shouldn't make it public. That person is also well aware of what they are and aren't allowed to say publically per their company policy - especially in relation to their job.
HayT made his company look bad by the things he said publically. All NMA did was point that out. The buck stops with HayT.
Hayt didn't do anything wrong. However, you took his posts out of context and stated that they represented the views of Bethusda towards fans, which was highly unethical. Odin was banned because he defended that.
If HayT didn't do anything wrong, then HayT wouldn't have gotten in trouble with the company. If he had used a bit of tact and said that there were some problems with a few of the people registering on the Elder Scrolls forums rather than lumping all Fallout fans in one huge group of problematic "supernerds", then he wouldn't have gotten in trouble. It's not only the fact HayT was airing the dirty laundry of his job, but the way he aired it.
And again, if he didn't want people associating him with Bethesda, he shouldn't have been discussing his job at Bethesda. That's a simple concept, dirt simple. Even an SA regular should be able to figure that one out.
It's a shame that some of your users had to pay the price (literally haha), but maybe it will teach you to be a little more honest.
Honest? You can click on the link provided and read what HayT said, word for word, and that's what Kharn posted about. Kharn didn't make anything up. HayT said those things publically and Bethesda didn't like it. There was no dishonesty in what Kharn posted.
That's the whole point. He isn't in PR and those aren't company opinions. Unfortunately, that isn't as good a story for Kharn.
He may not be PR, but in discussing his job at Bethesda, he is a reprentative of his company. If he was talking about how he got lousy coffee at Starbucks, none of this would have happenned, but the fact is he was discussing his job at Bethesda.
How professional is a news site that represents an individual's opinion on trolls at his company's site as that company's outlook on all of their fans.
How professional is it for a company employee to publically state things about about it's consumer base? That's significantly worse than anything NMA did here. In fact, that is news, whether you like it or not, it's news. When you have a developer of a company already in spin control and have an employee go out and publically trash talk their consumer basin, you have a problem.
The fact that the forums are public had very little to do with it. It was the misrepresentation on NMA and particularly your endorsement of that misrepresentation that got you banned.
No, they have
everything to do with it. Kharn didn't post a private email exchange, or a PM from someone. There was nothing private about it. If it can be public somewhere, making it public elsewhere is definitely fair game.
And like Stupid Man pointed out, the message was public and that disclaimer that HayT thought was his free license to trash talk perspective customers is actually a private function of the forum.
In conclusion, people HAVE lost jobs because of posts on the SA forums before. When people responsible for screwing with someone's actual livelihood can be brought to internet justice (even if it is only a ban), I wholeheartedly endorse it.
People lost their jobs because of things
they themselves said, dipshit. They're the ones responsible for their own actions.
I sincerely hope that the admins of this site will look into some ethics. Deliberate misrepresentation of facts are grounds for libel, slander and defamation suits after all.
Libel and slander have to be facts said or written that are knowingly untrue. Everything posted in that news were said by HayT in relation to his employment at Bethesda. But, if he thinks he has a case, I recommend he go and get a lawyer dumb enough to even TRY to sue over this.
) and the defamation came from the hords of SA anti-NMA goons that attacked with lies and in bad faith this site, without giving the chance to respond.
