Brotherhood of Steel Speculation (Minor Spoilers)

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I,ve completed pretty much all the Brotherhood of Steel related quests and i'm really none the wiser to a lot of stuff. Sadly, most of their exposition besides the conflict at Helios One is from the loading screens and Veronica's very dreary assessment of their future. We're told rather vaguely that their power has diminished (probably relatively i imagine) but they still have bunkers across the Mojave.

Do we know whether the conflict limited to the Mojave, or when it started exactly? Lost Hills IIRC is still the headquarters, right in the middle of NCR.

Have i missed something? The computers even after you join don't yield any more info on their recent history. Just all seems very vague, when i'd hope to actually find out something more.

I also wonder whether the NCR Vertibird means the BoS also has access to them (lets ignore the fact the eastern BoS if we took it as canon, is rolling around in tons of post-war supertech including Vertibirds and Hellfirebumrush armour etc), NV indicates the NCR attacked Narvarro so i presume it's salvaged rather than made from schematics.

I have to say, while I enjoyed the quests for them and found it refreshing for them to be portrayed properly again, i do wish there was more exposition and lore to be found.
 
The NCR vertibird could come from many places, it could be a captured Enclave bird, it could they got the plans froms shi or took them from the BOS. Because if you go out to the tarmac at mcCarran, it seems clear that the parked planes are NCR built not prewar, if they can build those it's that far off to produce a vertibird. In my mind anyway.
 
How is it clear that the planes were built by the NCR? Especially since it dosen't seem there is any room for a take off (lots of walls in the way, plus Mr. House or someone said it used to be an airport before it was fortified)
 
The planes weren't build by the NCR, they clearly were pre war planes in this airport, which was converted into a conventional military base.
 
I wonder just what the BoS and NCR disagreed over, i,ve always assumed "The advanced technology of the Brotherhood is slowly reintroduced into New California, with little disruption or chaos. The Brotherhood wisely remains out of the power structure, and becomes a major research and development house. " was the canon ending, as the NCR has forcefield defences on it's capital and generally appeared to be pretty high tech in some regards.

I can only presume subsequent leaders started to disagree over the level of technology the NCR was getting, such as prospectors picking over ruins the BoS felt they should of had first dibs on.
 
The continuation of the BOS in FO2 and following titles seems to contradict the positive ending of Fallout 1 a lot and I am not sure we should see that as what happened to the BOS in the end.

In Van Buren it was explained that the BOS suddenly became so determined to control all technology as they were loosing strength for some time as they were no longer the sole organization that had access to the most advanced technologies.

NCR started to rediscover Pre War technology and science and the emergence of Vault City with its vast computer archives also altered the balance of power.
The BOS now had to share their position and the Elders who still saw the BOS as the true heirs of the Old World were not willing to do so.

It was their arrogance and desire to return to old glory that made the BOS start the war with the NCR and it did result in some BOS members questioning their leaders and leaving the organization.
 
According to the official FNV guide, the NCR's takeover of the Hoover Dam was was started the conflict.
 
Ausir said:
According to the official FNV guide, the NCR's takeover of the Hoover Dam was was started the conflict.
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I have ordered it myself so I should be able to check out such facts soon.

Ausir, how much do you treat those guides as canon?
What I picked up from my days as a ST fan was that if something is not shown on the screen or in this case in a game, its not canon.

Guides sound a bit like 'second source'.

That doesn't make my earlier post better but I got most of it from the Van Buren design documents so its at least from the designers' minds.
 
The addiitional background info from the guide's collector's edition (it's not in the regular one) is from the devs themselves. I generally consider them canon as long as they don't contradict the game itself.

As for the VB docs, they are sadly not consistent with the New Vegas canon at least as far as the NCR-BoS conflict goes.
 
Okay, well I ordered the collector's edition for myself so I will soon have a chance to look at the new facts myself.

Hope you will update the Vault Wiki accordingly.
 
I've just looked more into the guide CE (just got it yesterday) and it's clear that the additional background info is straight from the design documents, down to the dates being wrong at times because of New Vegas originally being set in the 2250s. Or rather, the actual dates were corrected, but the "years ago" parts weren't, so there's mentions of the NCR being founded "65 years ago" in 2189. Still, they're pretty easy to correct, and other than that (and a few minor changes in Caesar's early biography) are pretty consistent with the actual game.

I'm in the process of updating the relevant articles now.
 
I absolutely love The Brotherhood of Steel and their Lore. Lawful to their Order and Neutral to other factions and out for the procurement of anything that maintains knowledge and give them an edge over all other factions technologically. Every Fallout game my first character has been a Melee monster named Bane who is both ruthless and does whatever it takes to forward the Brotherhood, even if he is a corrupt chem junkie that might roid-rage and kill everyone in a room only before shouting "For the Brotherhood!"

So naturally I was upset when the Brotherhood was but a timid babe hiding in the corner and they never really become a big presence in the game even after completing all their quest. Hopefully some DLC will come out that shall more heavily involve the Brotherhood.
 
Doesn't FO3's BOS lore talk alittle about this? In FO3 the BOS talk about how they lost contact with the Western Chapter of BOS, and that the west chapter was angry with their BOS chapter because they've moved away from the strict teachings of the Codex, by helpng locals in FO3? I expected to find a floundering BOS when jumping into New Vegas. To find them like this does make me sad though... I wanted them to be strong and open minded.... I was also hoping to find Outcasts... Running around in black power armor would of been so sweet....
 
The Outcasts split from the Capital Wasteland BoS because they were more faithful to the Brotherhood's original goals than Lyons was. It wouldn't make much sense to have "Outcasts" in the West, where you have the *real* Brotherhood.
 
Ausir said:
The Outcasts split from the Capital Wasteland BoS because they were more faithful to the Brotherhood's original goals than Lyons was. It wouldn't make much sense to have "Outcasts" in the West, where you have the *real* Brotherhood.
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sry, got my BOS lore mixed a bit :P

I was hoping for a much more expanded history of the BOS, that I could read in their history logs. Or even journal entries about Helios 1 from the previous Elder... The BOS seemed a little hollow. I want more back story about them considering they are supposedly the last remnants of the US Military...
 
TheVault11Survivor said:
Doesn't FO3's BOS lore talk alittle about this? In FO3 the BOS talk about how they lost contact with the Western Chapter of BOS, and that the west chapter was angry with their BOS chapter because they've moved away from the strict teachings of the Codex, by helpng locals in FO3? I expected to find a floundering BOS when jumping into New Vegas. To find them like this does make me sad though... I wanted them to be strong and open minded.... I was also hoping to find Outcasts... Running around in black power armor would of been so sweet....
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I was expecting the western brotherhood to be larger based on what I had read in F3's BoS computer archives, until I played Fallout 1/2. Now after having played them all, it actually makes a lot more sense the way the F3 brotherhood is set up.

Traditional brotherhood values have them isolated and hiding in bunkers, while the group in the Capitol Wasteland's open mindedness has let them expand and interact with the community in a way that allows room for growth. Western Brotherhood and their elitist, technology hoarding values will be the death of them.
 
korindabar said:
TheVault11Survivor said:
Doesn't FO3's BOS lore talk alittle about this? In FO3 the BOS talk about how they lost contact with the Western Chapter of BOS, and that the west chapter was angry with their BOS chapter because they've moved away from the strict teachings of the Codex, by helpng locals in FO3? I expected to find a floundering BOS when jumping into New Vegas. To find them like this does make me sad though... I wanted them to be strong and open minded.... I was also hoping to find Outcasts... Running around in black power armor would of been so sweet....
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I was expecting the western brotherhood to be larger based on what I had read in F3's BoS computer archives, until I played Fallout 1/2. Now after having played them all, it actually makes a lot more sense the way the F3 brotherhood is set up.

Traditional brotherhood values have them isolated and hiding in bunkers, while the group in the Capitol Wasteland's open mindedness has let them expand and interact with the community in a way that allows room for growth. Western Brotherhood and their elitist, technology hoarding values will be the death of them.
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw this, although you said it much more eloquently than I could.
 
korindabar said:
TheVault11Survivor said:
Doesn't FO3's BOS lore talk alittle about this? In FO3 the BOS talk about how they lost contact with the Western Chapter of BOS, and that the west chapter was angry with their BOS chapter because they've moved away from the strict teachings of the Codex, by helpng locals in FO3? I expected to find a floundering BOS when jumping into New Vegas. To find them like this does make me sad though... I wanted them to be strong and open minded.... I was also hoping to find Outcasts... Running around in black power armor would of been so sweet....
Click to expand...

I was expecting the western brotherhood to be larger based on what I had read in F3's BoS computer archives, until I played Fallout 1/2. Now after having played them all, it actually makes a lot more sense the way the F3 brotherhood is set up.

Traditional brotherhood values have them isolated and hiding in bunkers, while the group in the Capitol Wasteland's open mindedness has let them expand and interact with the community in a way that allows room for growth. Western Brotherhood and their elitist, technology hoarding values will be the death of them.
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The Mid Western BOS (Tactics are somewhat a mix of both the East and West coast Brotherhood. They actively take recruits (Super Mutants and Ghouls even), trade with villages in exchange for protection and recruits, and what not. While they are elitists, they are willing to do outside business and without the lameness of the ye old generic Knight business of the East Coast.
 
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