Cyberpunk 2077

It is probably running on the RED Engine, which means, if you can run Witcher 2 pretty smooth, the game should run as well. Especially considering they most likely want it to work on console hardware too.
 
Tagaziel said:
wat

Class struggle in Witcher 1? Where?

Not class struggle, but themes of class and the wealthy/poor divide. All were approached in the crassest way and didn't feel particularly thoughtful to me.

Also CDPR is aiming for the visuals of the trailer graphics-wise, so even if it's running on the same engine as The Witcher 2, it doesn't necessarily mean the game still will run well on a machine that could handle Geralt's sexual exploits.
 
WorstUsernameEver said:
Not class struggle, but themes of class and the wealthy/poor divide. All were approached in the crassest way and didn't feel particularly thoughtful to me.

Examples please. Witcher's low fantasy world is generally a nasty place, taking its cues from early medieval times, so the "divide" is a perfectly normal thing.
 
WorstUsernameEver said:
Tagaziel said:
wat

Class struggle in Witcher 1? Where?
it doesn't necessarily mean the game still will run well on a machine that could handle Geralt's sexual exploits.

It really bothers me that a lot of people seem to think The Witcher games are about boinking. They're not. Not even a little. It's an optional minute extra that's there because it was in the book and it was in the book because it made sense in this world.
 
Mjolnir said:
It really bothers me that a lot of people seem to think The Witcher games are about boinking. They're not. Not even a little. It's an optional minute extra that's there because it was in the book and it was in the book because it made sense in this world.

I don't think I ever met a person that thinks the games are about Geralt's sexual exploits. In fact, I thought it would be pretty obvious that I was making a joke.

@Tagaziel: Around 3/4 of The Witcher (Act 1, Act 2 and Act 4) take place in locations taht are largely populated by lowborn/commoners, and only the latter depicts them somewhat sympathetically. The Witcher 2 doesn't tackle that nearly as in-depth, but when it does (the first act) it generally did in a more nuanced way. It's more or less the same with CDPR's treatment of women. TW1 = 14 yr o. pov. TW2 = still some problematic scenes and depictions, but overall it's much better at portraying a setting that is sexist without being sexist itself.
 
WorstUsernameEver said:
@Tagaziel: Around 3/4 of The Witcher (Act 1, Act 2 and Act 4) take place in locations taht are largely populated by lowborn/commoners, and only the latter depicts them somewhat sympathetically. The Witcher 2 doesn't tackle that nearly as in-depth, but when it does (the first act) it generally did in a more nuanced way. It's more or less the same with CDPR's treatment of women. TW1 = 14 yr o. pov. TW2 = still some problematic scenes and depictions, but overall it's much better at portraying a setting that is sexist without being sexist itself.

I'm not sure I'm following you. Vizima outskirts and the lower quarter are specifically portrayed that way because, well, low born commoners in medieval times were a pretty nasty bunch. Particularly in cities. And when you have a priest exercising a lot of control over them, things get a bit out of hand.

I'm not sure why you're claiming that they are unuanced in TW1. Even despite the general trend, plenty of low born characters in TW1 are sympathetic and friendly.

Not following your claim about the treatment of women either. TW1 has strong female characters, both in main and supporting roles. The same was true for the book series.

Unless it's yet another "SEX CARDS ARE EVIL" complaint. I never found them demeaning or in bad taste. The female body is beautiful.
 
Unless it's yet another "SEX CARDS ARE EVIL" complaint. I never found them demeaning or in bad taste. The female body is beautiful.

Personally it was more how you acquire the sex cards and the sheer number of them. Most of the time it went; talk to a random women, give her a gift/do a small task/say something nice, and off to have sex with Geralt. Once or twice? Alright. Fifteen times, now that's really too much.

Maybe it's because he's more or less the only decent-looking guy in Vizima, while half of the women would be sexy even by our modern standards, never mind those of a ''low fantasy'' world. Seriously, there's no denying TW1 knew its audience. If anything involved sex in any fashion, it was oriented exclusively towards boys.

TW2 toned it down to a nice level, but made most female characters either stupid (half of the sorceresses), evil (the other half of the sorceresses), or a damsel in distress (Triss, Ves eventually) to compensate. And of course, the outfits. Apparently, Sile is a cold women who doesn't show off her charms (Per Dandelion's description), yet she dresses to show half her tits. Saskia wearing full battle armor with a prominent cleavage made me laugh more than anything too, albeit it's a bit more justified with her.

Anyhow, my 0.02$. Back to Cyberpunk now.
 
Ilosar said:
Personally it was more how you acquire the sex cards and the sheer number of them. Most of the time it went; talk to a random women, give her a gift/do a small task/say something nice, and off to have sex with Geralt. Once or twice? Alright. Fifteen times, now that's really too much.

It's a result of Geralt's status as a witcher. They are, by definiton, sterile, and have a folk status of sexual gods. Sex has been a part of the setting for a long time. It's been also used against him, deliberately.

Maybe it's because he's more or less the only decent-looking guy in Vizima, while half of the women would be sexy even by our modern standards, never mind those of a ''low fantasy'' world. Seriously, there's no denying TW1 knew its audience. If anything involved sex in any fashion, it was oriented exclusively towards boys.

So games for men feature hideous hags instead?

TW2 toned it down to a nice level, but made most female characters either stupid (half of the sorceresses), evil (the other half of the sorceresses), or a damsel in distress (Triss, Ves eventually) to compensate.

Uh, what? First of all, neither Triss nor Ves are "damsels in distress." Both are particularly strong female characters, one's a lead, the other's support. The former is a political advisor to Foltest, a capable magician in her own right and hardly a pushover.

Triss is captured by a guy who essentially curb stomps Geralt. After he abandons her, she is captured by a sorceress that's several years her senior in terms of magical power. And then held captive by crack Nilfgaardian troops in what's likely dwimerite chains.

Ves is a hardened special operations officer. She's not a damsel either, but a result of a (failed) attempt to save her comrades from mass execution. PTSD, not "damsel in distress."

And of course, the outfits. Apparently, Sile is a cold women who doesn't show off her charms (Per Dandelion's description), yet she dresses to show half her tits. Saskia wearing full battle armor with a prominent cleavage made me laugh more than anything too, albeit it's a bit more justified with her.

So? There's a difference between not showing off her charms and dressing like an uptight, ancient nun who spontaneously combusts at the first sound of anything even remotely resembling sex.

Saskia's justified in that she's a

[spoiler:eb8bb3e06f] dragon that can shrug off damage of most kinds.[/spoiler:eb8bb3e06f]
 
Tagaziel said:
It's a result of Geralt's status as a witcher. They are, by definiton, sterile, and have a folk status of sexual gods. Sex has been a part of the setting for a long time. It's been also used against him, deliberately.

I got that. Still seems overkill that you can bed a sorceress, a dryad, nuns, a sea goddess, a princess, vampires, elves, noblewomen et all with reckless abandon. If there's an attractive female, you can nail it. No exceptions. Even the novels didn't make him that much of a player.

So games for men feature hideous hags instead?

They at least try to pretend it's not shameless and gratuitous fanservice. I've got no problem with sex or nudity, but at some point a world where all the pretty ladies want to fuck the protagonist on sight doesn't seem very ''mature'' to me. More like wish fulfillment. The porn stash does not help matters.

Uh, what? First of all, neither Triss nor Ves are "damsels in distress." Both are particularly strong female characters, one's a lead, the other's support. The former is a political advisor to Foltest, a capable magician in her own right and hardly a pushover.

In TW1 she was, yes.

Triss is captured by a guy who essentially curb stomps Geralt. After he abandons her, she is captured by a sorceress that's several years her senior in terms of magical power. And then held captive by crack Nilfgaardian troops in what's likely dwimerite chains.

It remains that her role in the story is to fuck Geralt, faint the instant she casts a complicated spell, look pretty, then be turned into a figurine and becompletely ineffectual all the way to the ending in order to give Geralt motivation to go along with the plot. A bit jarring after she was so competent in the first game.

Ves is a hardened special operations officer. She's not a damsel either, but a result of a (failed) attempt to save her comrades from mass execution. PTSD, not "damsel in distress."

Okay, maybe not a damsel, but still. She didn't get to do much in the story. And you gotta admit the sorceresses were either worthless or almost cartoonishly evil.

So? There's a difference between not showing off her charms and dressing like an uptight, ancient nun who spontaneously combusts at the first sound of anything even remotely resembling sex.

And there's a middle ground between a sheltered nun and ''hey, I can almost see her nipples'' At least make the character's description follow its design.

And I was saying, Saskia is more justified. Still raised my eyebrows at such a design choice, but oh well. TW2 still handled the whole thing much better, save for Triss.
 
WorstUsernameEver said:
Mjolnir said:
It really bothers me that a lot of people seem to think The Witcher games are about boinking. They're not. Not even a little. It's an optional minute extra that's there because it was in the book and it was in the book because it made sense in this world.

I don't think I ever met a person that thinks the games are about Geralt's sexual exploits. In fact, I thought it would be pretty obvious that I was making a joke.

It's just that, too many people make too big a deal out of it. As though it hurts them without it being forced on them at all. Except triss at the beginning of tW2, I guess.
 
Forgot all about this thread. Sorry Ilosar.

Ilosar said:
I got that. Still seems overkill that you can bed a sorceress, a dryad, nuns, a sea goddess, a princess, vampires, elves, noblewomen et all with reckless abandon. If there's an attractive female, you can nail it. No exceptions. Even the novels didn't make him that much of a player.

Must be the trauma of coming back to life, man.

And reckless abandon is a function of sterility. No chance of having kids means... fun.

They at least try to pretend it's not shameless and gratuitous fanservice. I've got no problem with sex or nudity, but at some point a world where all the pretty ladies want to fuck the protagonist on sight doesn't seem very ''mature'' to me. More like wish fulfillment. The porn stash does not help matters.

Pin-ups are hardly porn. Not to mention there are hoops you have to jump through and sexual adventures are entirely optional. If you tag every lady on the way, that's due to your roleplaying :)

It remains that her role in the story is to fuck Geralt, faint the instant she casts a complicated spell, look pretty, then be turned into a figurine and becompletely ineffectual all the way to the ending in order to give Geralt motivation to go along with the plot. A bit jarring after she was so competent in the first game.

You seem to be forgetting the circumstances in each case. On the beach she's a fugitive that had to run immediately after an extended siege, forced to cast an *insanely* powerful spell, without the opportunity to draw power beforehand. If you recall Ciri's training sessions, Yennefer said that casting spells without charging up first means you're expending your life energy.

Second, in this weakened state she's captured by Letho, who makes fine work of Geralt and scoia'tael without breaking a sweat, forced to teleport halfway across the realm, before being left for dead and eventually compressed into a figurine.

And then she ends up in Nilfgaard captivity, out of the oven and into the fire. The fact that she's still alive and able to walk after all of this is testament to her strength.

Okay, maybe not a damsel, but still. She didn't get to do much in the story. And you gotta admit the sorceresses were either worthless or almost cartoonishly evil.

That's a complaint to direct at Sapkowski. The Lodge was exactly like that in the books.

And there's a middle ground between a sheltered nun and ''hey, I can almost see her nipples'' At least make the character's description follow its design.

Sile is a combination of these factors. I've never had the impression that she was intended as sexually attractive - guess the hairdo and robes put me off.
 
And reckless abandon is a function of sterility. No chance of having kids means... fun.

It's less than he wants to fuck them that they all want to fuck him at the first opportunity. I know it's optional, but it still bugs me that they made it so every female wants to bed Geralt and just need a small task done to jump on him.

Anyhow, I don't think the dev team is sexist, as in hating women or wishing to be figuratively above them. They just added tons of sex for pure fanservice purposes, especially in the first game. I know that the series is not exactly prude in the first place, but it seems like overkill and way too directed at the male nerd population to be taken seriously. ''Look, you can fuck elves! And witches! And dryads! And sea goddesses! And vampires!''. So on and so forth.

You seem to be forgetting the circumstances in each case. On the beach she's a fugitive that had to run immediately after an extended siege, forced to cast an *insanely* powerful spell, without the opportunity to draw power beforehand. If you recall Ciri's training sessions, Yennefer said that casting spells without charging up first means you're expending your life energy.

They had a fairly long boat ride, and IIRC Roche told them this was Squirrel territory, AND she had plenty of time to prepare while Iorveth was making his bad guy speech. Not a very convincing excuse, also blocking arrows doesn't seem to be a much more powerful spell than several we see in the game, including teleportation, stunning a kraken, and creating an undead-b-gone circle, at a distance and a momen't notice no less in Philipa's case.

Triss's misadventures

I know and realize that, she was basically outmatched. It still remains that the first game's no 1 supporting character is now a distressed damsel in the second in order to drive the plot and force Geralt's involvement. To tell the truth I wasn't that impressed by TW2's plot as a whole, so it's less a comment about sexism than poor plot construction.

That's a complaint to direct at Sapkowski. The Lodge was exactly like that in the books.

Not like they didn't change a few other things from the novels (didn't the author say the games were non-canon anyhow? feel free to correct me). Making them more like actual scheming masterminds and less like stupid harpies with too much power in their hands would have made a much more interesting story. As it is it's painfully obvious everyone else is playing them for fools since the second chapter, especially in Roche's path. The council they have before that crazy sorceress bombards the battlefield was just cringe-indulcingly stupid.

Sile is a combination of these factors. I've never had the impression that she was intended as sexually attractive - guess the hairdo and robes put me off.

Well, intense makeup usage and deep cleavage aren't my own idea of someone who doesn't care what she looks like.
 
NOTE: This is copy and pasted from the blog for people who have not seen this. That means most of the hotlinks are not in here (I would have to add them by hand which takes a very long time since there are a lot of hotlinks. If not for that I would have added them) so for the full experience go to the original post. I did do some of the most important hotlinks though.

What is Cyberpunk 2077?

-Cyberpunk 2077 is a PC and next-generation console story-driven open-world role-playing game being made by CD Projekt Red. It is set in the universe of and derived from the tabletop role-playing game Cyberpunk 2020 developed by R.Talsorian and written by Mike Pondsmith. It will utterly destroy your world and replace it with a much better one. Well, a much cooler-looking one. This may involve surgery, but you weren't using that eye anyway, were you?

NOTE:Cyberpunk 2077 is NOT an MMO. In any way or kind. Repeat, NOT an MMO. Nothing wrong with MMOs, but this game is not going to be one.

Is there any new news?!

-Well, check the links below for what we've got but if you're looking for hardcore data, to quote Mr. I-co-birthed-CDPR Marcin Iwinski, (his name really is I win. Freaky, isn't it?), "We haven’t talked a lot about the game, and we’re still not at the stage where we’re ready to talk about it." They're working hard but not talking about it. When that changes, you won't see this.

Do the Devs read this forum?

CDPR: "Of course."

What does the word, "Cyberpunk" mean?

Originally, it loosely defined a literary genre. That genre has long since expanded into other media. Cyberpunk is generally defined as, "High Tech meets Low Life" and can be seen in the novel Neuromancer, movies such as Blade Runner and graphic novels like Ghost in the Shell and Transmetropolitan. Not to mention, role-playing games like Cyberpunk 2020. We have a thread with lots of suggestions for you to read, watch and enjoy over here.

What is this Cyberpunk 2020 you speak of?

-The RPG of the Dark Future! Solos, Boostergangs, Netrunners, High-Fashion Models and You! Elements of the Matrix, Blade Runner, Judge Dredd, Appleseed and Michael Mann's Heat all meet up and have a party! Find more details here of course.

Blog of the 2020 PnP Devs, R.Tal: http://rtalsoriangames.wordpress.com/

-We have even MORE online resources for you to peruse over here.

Sidenote for Old Punks: The timeline does include everything up until and including the end of Firestorm: Shockwave. Everything after that will be new. CyberGen and V3 are not in.

Who is this CD Projekt Red you speak of?

-Really, Faithful Reader? Really? Very well. Witcher 3! They are pretty great. If you haven't played their games or used GoG before, I cast my gaze witheringly in your direction.

What kind of graphics are we looking at? I NEED THE PURTY.

CDPR has said CP2077 will use Red Engine 3, their disturbingly-impressive game engine developed for Witcher 3 and CP2077. You may begin to slather.

When will it be out?!

-When It's Done. CDPR are aiming for Before Actual 2077, but they are determined that this be an epic, amazing experience for us and they will take however long they need to make sure that their standards are met. Be grateful! Quality is assured! Go play some CP2020 until it's ready! Have a cookie.

Single Player or Multiplayer or Single-Player with Multi-player components?

-Speaking to Eurogamer, managing director Adam Badowski said Cyberpunk 2077 "will be a story-based RPG experience with amazing single-player playthroughs, but we're going to add multiplayer features."

First or Third Person Perspective?

-Tenth. It's a new narrative technique. No, I kid. Again, we don't know yet. Whichever one you'd prefer, prepare for the other. That way, you can be numb to your loss OR pleasantly surprised! Feel free to contribute your view on the subject at our Poll here.

Mature Content?

Well, it's a dark future, people lie to you, you may have to cope with loss and...oh, wait. Is that a little drool I spot there? Yeah, it is. Wipe that..there you go. Anyway, if you're asking us if there will be bare breasts, we don't know. ODDS ARE there will be, since CDPR does not shy away from a thorough engagement with their adult subjects, whether it be blood, sex or racism. AGAIN, if you haven't played Witcher 1, 2 or 3...do so.

Where can I read of this in the medias so that I may further broaden my growing mind?

You can see all of the hotlinks here.

-The teaser trailer: You'll notice some flashing - it's a secret message! Our forum version is here.

-Summer Conference Video: Start of it all! 45 minutes of joy!

-Gametrailers Interview: http://www.gametrailers.com/side-mis...sive-interview Covers timeline, intentions, interviewee has cool name.

-And in case you SOMEhow missed it, CDPR's blog. Great stuff here! http://www.cyberpunk.net/blog/
 
It will be very amusing to see Cyberpunk 2077 make Fallout 4's attempt at deep, thoughtful writing about artificial intelligence look like a kids pop-up picture book, assuming that is a theme the game covers (it looks like it based on the trailer).

I wouldn't normally make such a prediction since we don't know anything much about the game yet, but let's face it - there ain't no way it's going to have bad writing compared to FO4.

"Cyberpunk is not an MMO" - these days even RPGs are turning out to be offline-MMOs, so that is good to know.
 
It will be very amusing to see Cyberpunk 2077 make Fallout 4's attempt at deep, thoughtful writing about artificial intelligence look like a kids pop-up picture book, assuming that is a theme the game covers (it looks like it based on the trailer).

I wouldn't normally make such a prediction since we don't know anything much about the game yet, but let's face it - there ain't no way it's going to have bad writing compared to FO4.

"Cyberpunk is not an MMO" - these days even RPGs are turning out to be offline-MMOs, so that is good to know.

Ussually i will agree with you, however i found why staying - benefit of doubt is more preferable. ever since shenanigan with Mankind divided, i'll not let my self twice to being bullshit by AAA company (third time if fo4 were counted)

What i expected from CDPR is they improved the combat and system. Witcher 3 suffer from being poorly rewarding any kind of build that player invested in skill or perk
 
Another detail of the basic gameplay of Cyberpunk 2077

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I would like to refer to that poster from CDPR's studio. What things like Two sandbox environments or Tactical mode may look in the game?

Here is a full list from the poster:

  • RPG, NON-LINEAR GAMEPLAY

  • TACTICAL MODE

  • TWO SANDBOX ENVIRONMENTS

  • STREETS OF NIGHT CITY

  • INTERACTIVE NON-LINEAR SCENES

  • LOW-LEVEL, QUEST BASED STORY

  • HI-TECH AND CYBERWEAR

  • BRAINDANCE
 
Lets we take a closer look at the most common trope that found on Cyberpunk genre; Cybernetic eat your souls

now interestingly, its called as cyberpsychosis. rather than damaging your literal ' souls' its sap what make you are human. you are no longer have empathy, positive emotion and love for other human brethen

Cyberpsychosis is the effect of installing too much cyberware In the Cyberpunk 2020 role-playing game this is noted as Humanity Cost, or Humanity Index in the original rules. It is a system that limits the amount of cyberwear one can get, with the penalty of causing madness and a loss of emotional empathy. Too much would result in a character becoming an unplayable psychopath.


Something happens when you start adding metal and plastic to people. They start to change. And it isn't pretty. In the 2000's, we call this cyberpsychosis; a mental disease in which the addition of cybernetics causes an 'already unstable personality to fragment. At first, the victim begins to relate more to machines than to humans. Soon, he starts to ignore people, parents, friends, lovers. Eating, sleeping all become less important. Finally, human interactions begin to irritate, culminating in a terrifying rage that consumes the victim entirely.

So, how does one get cyberpsychosis?

Characters in Cyberpunk have an Empathy stat (abbreviated to EMP). This stat is a measure of how well a character relates to other people, and is the basis of such skills as leadership, lying, convincing and romantic relationships. Every major cybernetic enhancement has a corresponding Humanity Cost, which is added together to get an overall Humanity Cost of all enhancements. Humanity Costs are rated from "Vary Low" to "Vary High", and correspond to the general effect this enhancement will have on the human psyche. In addition, each option added to an enhancement has an additional point value as well. Ten full points of Humanity Cost lowers one's Empathy stat by one. Character stats ranges form 2-10, with 5 being average.

As your Empathy lowers, it can start to cost you. With an Empathy of 3 the character is something of a "cold fish"; emotionless and cold. With an Empathy of 2, the character is chilly, forbidding, and distinctly unpleasant to others. With an Empathy of 1, the character is usually violent, sociopathic and vicious. He must constantly fight to keep from going over the edge and committing irrational, violent acts of murder and mayhem.

At an Empathy rating of 0 or less, the character is fully in the grip of cyberpsychosis. He is driven by a maddening hatred of other humans or living things. At this point, there is no turning back — the character is taken over by the Referee (game master), who plays it as a NPC (non-player character) with all the worst attributes of a murderous, mechanized psychopath, called a cyberpsycho. Not all cyberpsychos are the rampaging type. Many exhibit more subtle symptoms; compulsive lying, kleptomania, sadism, brutality, split personality and extremely violent mood swings.


Therapy

there's one way to hang out over the Edge and still keep it wired, and that's therapy. The C-SWAT drags you in, screaming and tearing at the walls, and straps you down to a heavy metal psychatrist's couch. Probes deactivate your cybersystems one by one, while the shrink jacks your rabid psyche into the braindance. Then begins the long, arduous process of disassembling your brain and reconstructing it in a more socially acceptable form. One that doesn't get its kicks out of eating dead bodies, for example.

Cyberpsychologists (Psychoshrinks) use combinations of braindance simulation, drugs, hypnotics, psychosurgery and aversion therapy to reconstruct damaged personalities. Once all cybernetics are removed or deactivated, the character will recover two points of EMP for every week of therapy attended.

 
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