EFAP on Fallout

The Critical Drinker liking it makes me doubt my score should be as high as it is.
I get the urge for this, and I don't like the guy much either.

But like...Don't base your opinions on media on culture war stuff, that's extremely lame. "X person or X group of people I dislike, dislike this so I like it" and vice versa are really boring ways to come to conclusions.
 
I get the urge for this, and I don't like the guy much either.

But like...Don't base your opinions on media on culture war stuff, that's extremely lame. "X person or X group of people I dislike, dislike this so I like it" and vice versa are really boring ways to come to conclusions.

Ironically that's why I don't like him.

It's like, "I hate the Star Wars sequels too man but it's not because it doesn't have enough white dudes."
 
Ironically that's why I don't like him.

It's like, "I hate the Star Wars sequels too man but it's not because it doesn't have enough white dudes."
I can't parse this. The Star Wars sequels are garbage because they crap on all the existing lore, they destroy existing characters, they destroy the entire meaning of the earlier trilogies. What does it have to do with the ethnic makeup of the actors? I am really not sure what you're trying to say here. Critical Drinker is racist? What is your point?
 
I can't parse this. The Star Wars sequels are garbage because they crap on all the existing lore, they destroy existing characters, they destroy the entire meaning of the earlier trilogies. What does it have to do with the ethnic makeup of the actors? I am really not sure what you're trying to say here. Critical Drinker is racist? What is your point?
Critical Drinker always points out when there are diverse characters and frequently harps on about media trying to convey "THE MESSAGE" instead of trying just write goos stuff. He's not wrong to some extent, but also goes on about that way too much.
 
I would think the reason he goes on about that so much is because it happens so much but yeah it does end up diluting your other criticism when you give your opposition who never cared for your real criticism to begin with ammunition to disregard you completely. If you're just fucking around like I am then it doesn't really matter as you don't really care about credibility because, lol what fucking credibility, I'm a fish! But when you position yourself in that kind of a place of trying to produce actual criticism that matter and take yourself seriously inside of the media landscape by being a writer yourself then you should hold yourself up to a higher standard.

It's easy to slip into it in podcasts though so I will not fault anyone from sounding like a broken record on that but in a heavily edited video? It does more harm than good to just drag on and on about politics. Mentioning it when absolutely necessary if it is relevant to what happens in the product you're criticizing then move on.

But I never watch his actual videos myself so I wouldn't know, I just watch podcasts he ends up on.
 
Ah I see, it's the classic phrasing "red meat" to at least some of his audience. I guess he thinks it helps him make money.

I feel if he was explicitly racist, gootube would demonetize him. Whatever the rules are for demonetizing, I think he's very aware of those.

It's always comical to hear "mid century Germans" because they can't say even the word Nazi.

What historical bankruptcy to try to remove even the word from the marketplace of ideas.
 
Critical Drinker's whole schtick is untrustworthy. Never take the word of an alcoholic.

Harping on diversity for the culture war points is missing the forest for the trees, and misunderstands the purely cynical nature of Hollywood and New York media casting. Disney for instance never cared about "diversifying" their roster of actors, they were just checking off a list of tokens to placate the hogs who are satisfied with mere representation. Finn and Rose Tico's characters were completely ruined because Disney panicked at the fan backlash to Rian Johnson's movie and pulled the plug on the whole "we're going to let independent directors take a crack at Star Wars" idea to bring back JJ and offer up Palpatine returning - somehow. Finn and Rose were both rendered down into irrelevance, with Finn ultimately not doing much of anything despite being built up as a main character in the first and second movies. Disney didn't care about any of it, which is why they chased trends and gave in to fan backlash instead of planning out the new trilogy and getting it right the first time.

Now look at Fallout TV. Who is supposed to feel represented by Maximus? He's practically a new innovation on Step 'n Fetchit minstrelry. That character could have easily been played by anybody, yet they chose to cast him as the only black man in the main cast? Yet I've seen nobody else make this take because they're so bedazzled by the production and acting. The performance of inclusion and diversity has given an ironically more racist impression than Hollywood had in the 90s. Like, who appointed Awkwafina as the representative of Asian women in Hollywood? She sucks ass, and she's only good at playing characters who are intentionally written to be annoying.
 
Critical Drinker is a character played for the laughs, of course. The guy behind it is a decently accomplished author, although he is scottish and thus likely does drink too much anywah. And well, he has a shitload of people watching his videos. I guess what many people like is that he isn't above praise and will say good things if he can, and will also often recommend stuff. He's not pure negativity, and the negativity is wrapped in a particular style that seems to resonate with many viewers.
Is he untrustworthy? Of course, he's a youtube critic. But he's entertaining, his videos are the perfect length where he can do his character bit and it doesn't outstay its welcome.
Also, haven't seen his video on the show, but since he liked it, I doubt he harped on about "THE MESSAGE" as he likes to call it. Especially since there wasn't really any culture war diversity stuff in the show to begin with. He usually just points it out in a negative way when it's clearly put into something while making the end result worse by making characters less believable or otherwise things not working.
He still does it too much, tho.
 
I would actually argue that the entire premise of Fallout TV is that the villains are woke DEI culture warriors, in a sense, but few people pick up on it because it's reframed through the lens of liberal workplace grievances. The fact that Critical Drinker doesn't pick up on any of that is a testament to the strength of the show's production and casting. It easily luls you into accepting everything passively because on a surface level it all looks right, but if you think about it for a single second everything comes unraveled.
 
I would actually argue that the entire premise of Fallout TV is that the villains are woke DEI culture warriors, in a sense, but few people pick up on it because it's reframed through the lens of liberal workplace grievances. The fact that Critical Drinker doesn't pick up on any of that is a testament to the strength of the show's production and casting. It easily luls you into accepting everything passively because on a surface level it all looks right, but if you think about it for a single second everything comes unraveled.
Who, Vault-Tec? I mean, they're culture warriors alright, but by that reading so would be the Legion. Wouldn't call Vault-Tec to be particularly "woke" or related to DEI, either, unless you're using those words in a manner I'm unfamiliar with.
 
Who, Vault-Tec? I mean, they're culture warriors alright, but by that reading so would be the Legion. Wouldn't call Vault-Tec to be particularly "woke" or related to DEI, either, unless you're using those words in a manner I'm unfamiliar with.

"woke" and DEI are amorphous signifiers to begin with. They're stand-ins for what reactionaries hate about cultural niceties and workplace management strategies, but have ultimately little to do with what the words imply. But in Fallout TV the DEI is literal.

1. the populations of vaults 32 & 33 were selected for genetic predispositions to positive attitudes and strong work ethics, which makes them compliant subjects of the secret order of middle managers. So the population is "woke" for the purposes of being indoctrinated into Human Relations ideology, as envisioned by Bud. Everyone is nice and gets along to avoid the danger of any social conflict.

2. these "breeding populations" are also racially and ethnically diverse to achieve maximum genetic diversity for the long isolation before reclamation day. That's your Diversity.

3. the vaults themselves are organized as a commune where everyone has equal claims to resources and luxuries, even though Bud's Buds reserve dictatorial privileges for themselves in secret. That's your Equity.

4. members of the breeding population are brought in to the inner circle of the Vault's government to give the impression that they're participating in a democracy, when really it's a managed democracy that guarantees the election of a Bud's Bud to the overseer position every time. Woody and Reg are both native 33ers allowed to participate in the council, but they have no real power because they're being undermined by Betty, Steph, and whoever else may be a Bud's Bud. That's your Inclusion.

Finally, this "wokeness" and "DEI" culture is the basis of the model that Bud and the Vault-Tec executives envision for the future. The civilization that Vault-Tec wants to build after Reclamation Day is basically the realization of a perfectly managed bourgeois firm, where the subjects are ideologically indoctrinated into passively accepting the dictates of their ruling class masters forever. For all intents and purposes, this is a conservative culture warrior's nightmare.
 
I can't parse this. The Star Wars sequels are garbage because they crap on all the existing lore, they destroy existing characters, they destroy the entire meaning of the earlier trilogies. What does it have to do with the ethnic makeup of the actors? I am really not sure what you're trying to say here. Critical Drinker is racist? What is your point?

Yeah. I'd prefer he talk about the actual fucking problems with the movie. Not that they're too woke. I don't need or want to say the guy is racist (and feel that misses my point) so much as I think it's just bad clickbaity criticism and doesn't really mean shit in the larger scheme of things. Like, the reason the Ghostbuster's reboot was shit was because it wasn't funny or scary and a Ghostbusters movie should be both.

You don't need to be a culture warrior to think it makes him not funny or entertaining or informative.

But your mileage may vary.

"woke" and DEI are amorphous signifiers to begin with. They're stand-ins for what reactionaries hate about cultural niceties and workplace management strategies, but have ultimately little to do with what the words imply. But in Fallout TV the DEI is literal.

1. the populations of vaults 32 & 33 were selected for genetic predispositions to positive attitudes and strong work ethics, which makes them compliant subjects of the secret order of middle managers. So the population is "woke" for the purposes of being indoctrinated into Human Relations ideology, as envisioned by Bud. Everyone is nice and gets along to avoid the danger of any social conflict.

2. these "breeding populations" are also racially and ethnically diverse to achieve maximum genetic diversity for the long isolation before reclamation day. That's your Diversity.

3. the vaults themselves are organized as a commune where everyone has equal claims to resources and luxuries, even though Bud's Buds reserve dictatorial privileges for themselves in secret. That's your Equity.

4. members of the breeding population are brought in to the inner circle of the Vault's government to give the impression that they're participating in a democracy, when really it's a managed democracy that guarantees the election of a Bud's Bud to the overseer position every time. Woody and Reg are both native 33ers allowed to participate in the council, but they have no real power because they're being undermined by Betty, Steph, and whoever else may be a Bud's Bud. That's your Inclusion.

Finally, this "wokeness" and "DEI" culture is the basis of the model that Bud and the Vault-Tec executives envision for the future. The civilization that Vault-Tec wants to build after Reclamation Day is basically the realization of a perfectly managed bourgeois firm, where the subjects are ideologically indoctrinated into passively accepting the dictates of their ruling class masters forever. For all intents and purposes, this is a conservative culture warrior's nightmare.

I feel like this is a very weird argument since this is associating DEI and eugenics. It also seems to be an argument that a white supremacist society with a hierarchical cast of culture is a liberal one. Mind you, I draw a heavy distinction between the libertarine "everything goes" form of conservativism and conservatism as a preservation of White Protestant Wealthly Landowner Males.

The race blind Pre-War Fifties is an interesting analysis of what RL political makeup that may be.
 
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I feel like this is a very weird argument since this is associating DEI and eugenics. It also seems to be an argument that a white supremacist society with a hierarchical cast of culture is a liberal one. Mind you, I draw a heavy distinction between the libertarine "everything goes" form of conservativism and conservatism as a preservation of White Protestant Wealthly Landowner Males.

The race blind Pre-War Fifties is an interesting analysis of what RL political makeup that may be.

Before eugenics was discredited by the Nazis it was the accepted mainstream belief of both Liberals and Socialists. It's not at all a contradiction that Vault-Tec are liberal eugenicists.
 
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