Fallout 3 at E3 - The Escapist

[Makagulfazel]

As to the question of why I'd think Fallout 3 based on the decades old tech behind Fallouts 1&2 would be unplayable, perhaps "unplayable" is the wrong phrase to use. "Not worth playing" might be more accurate.

He sounds pretty worthless as a human being overall. I'm sure he just loves all the anime porn on his hard drive and the 2000 hours of Oblivion gameplay he's acquired.

Judging a game by it's looks... Fucking simpleton.

 

[Tora]

I don't know about you, but I'm personally not
interested in the equivalent of extra levels for Fallout. If you are, then great. I'm sorry you won't get that. But it's been a long ten years, and my expectations from games have changed considerably. Van Buren wouldn't have met those expectations. Bethesda's Fallout 3 does.

So the equivalent of 'extra levels' for oblivion is better?

 

[Vault 69er]

I don't know about you, but I'm personally not
interested in the equivalent of extra levels for Fallout. If you are, then great. I'm sorry you won't get that. But it's been a long ten years, and my expectations from games have changed considerably. Van Buren wouldn't have met those expectations. Bethesda's Fallout 3 does.

So the equivalent of 'extra levels' for oblivion is better?

It's like so totally not Oblivion with guns and junk! It has cuss words and everything!

 

[Per]

But it's been a long ten years, and my expectations from games have changed considerably. Van Buren wouldn't have met those expectations. Bethesda's Fallout 3 does.

What's his secret psychic info?

Let's see, at least 20 years back... that would be 1987. Yeah, that's the year Wizball was released, the source of much Van Buren tech.

 

[Tora]

He sounds pretty worthless as a human being overall. I'm sure he just loves all the anime porn on his hard drive and the 2000 hours of Oblivion gameplay he's acquired.

Judging a game by it's looks... Fucking simpleton.

Now now, we shouldn't deny the right to be humans to those of the 'FPS' finger-twitching generation just because they lack proper imagination and need 'sparkly' graphics to feel immersed in a work of fiction.

It's like so totally not Oblivion with guns and junk! It has cuss words and everything!

Hahahaha, That's why they're 'extra levels'! You know, like those hidden levels that make no sense in some of those arcade games and stuff

 

[Vault 69er]

That said, you're spot-on that Van Buren was not a decades old project, but it was still largely based on decades old tech. Hence, my making of that point. I do not see the need to change it. Sorry.

Fallout 3 is based on Oblivion, which is based on Daggerfall, which is from 1996.
Counter that, dumbass.

 

[Dunedain]

Wow, what an ignorant statement. I guess games like Silent Storm and Jagged Alliance 3 (being worked on now, also being shown at E3) just aren't worth playing then. That would be like me saying that Quake 4 (a game I happen to like, by the way) isn't even worth gamers' time to play it, just because I happen to not like first-person shooters at all. If you don't like intricate tactical combat RPG's, then just say so. But don't try to declare that all such games are not even worth playing because you personally don't care for that style of game.

Obviously fans would expect a major increase in graphics quality in a new Fallout game, but that has nothing to do with the isometric tactical combat gameplay that so many gamers like. That type of a combat system is just as valid now as then. Just like an isometric combat view still works extremely well, even after years and years of repeated use, in real-time strategy games like Starcraft II.

 

[Ausir]

Anyway, I still don't see how Van Buren was "based on the decades old tech behind Fallouts 1&2" - it was a completely different engine.

 

[Vault 69er]

Anyway, I still don't see how Van Buren was "based on the decades old tech behind Fallouts 1&2" - it was a completely different engine.

Because it's isometric, man! Everything isometric is exactly the same and old old old!
I mean, didn't you know? Fallout, PS:T, Arcanum, Van Buren, Diablo, XCom, Baldur's Gate, Titan Quest.. all the same!
Fallout 3 is based on modern first-person technology was only dates back to.. er.. the 1980s! Yeah.

 

[RhymeBomb]

What would these ignoramuses be doing with their lives if the Xbox had never been released?

Yeah, I'm going to attribute the death of good video games to Xbox fans. It's funnier that way.

 

[generalissimofurioso]

What would these ignoramuses be doing with their lives if the Xbox had never been released?

Yeah, I'm going to attribute the death of good video games to Xbox fans. It's funnier that way.

It's also surprisingly apt...

They want the PC and Console markets to be exactly the same, it makes things easier for them, since they're under the impression that all good games on the PC require them to spend $500 upgrading. Meanwhile, Microsoft kicks back and encourages them because they make money either way...

In the end, it fucks with everyone who doesn't like their console and PC to intermingle. People who know that PCs can do things that Consoles can't do and that Consoles can do things that PC's can't do.

 

[Sorrow]

That said, you're spot-on that Van Buren was not a decades old project, but it was still largely based on decades old tech. Hence, my making of that point. I do not see the need to change it. Sorry.

As to the question of why I'd think Fallout 3 based on the decades old tech behind Fallouts 1&2 would be unplayable, perhaps "unplayable" is the wrong phrase to use. "Not worth playing" might be more accurate.

Liar - Van Buren was being made on Jefferson Engine which was new, not decades old.

It's interesting how those lying LARPers love to slander the tabletop based perspective by saying that it's "old" and "outdated".
They would make the world a favour if they would return to their woods and furry costumes instead of infesting the computer games.

 

[Tagaziel]

That said, you're spot-on that Van Buren was not a decades old project, but it was still largely based on decades old tech. Hence, my making of that point. I do not see the need to change it. Sorry.

As to the question of why I'd think Fallout 3 based on the decades old tech behind Fallouts 1&2 would be unplayable, perhaps "unplayable" is the wrong phrase to use. "Not worth playing" might be more accurate.

Liar - Van Buren was being made on Jefferson Engine which was new, not decades old.

It's interesting how those lying LARPers love to slander the tabletop based perspective by saying that it's "old" and "outdated".
They would make the world a favour if they would return to their woods and furry costumes instead of infesting the computer games.

Sorrow, do you actually know what LARP means?

Live Action Role Playing.

With emphasis on LIVE. You know, as in, people, alive, running around in funny costumes. Not playing Oblivion. Stom embarrasing yourself.

 

[Sorrow]

I know what LARPing means. LARPing is to tabletop gaming what Fallout 3 is to Fallout. A different thing.

It's a joke referring to arguments about how Oblivion is a better RPG than Fallout are based on how it's immersing and how they live in a game world.

 

[Tagaziel]

I know what LARPing means. LARPing is to tabletop gaming what Fallout 3 is to Fallout. A different thing.

It's a joke referring to arguments about how Oblivion is a better RPG than Fallout are based on how it's immersing and how they live in a game world.

However, using an incorrect term to define something is not only logically erroneous - it makes you look bad.

For instance "Gamers without imagination - Fallout 3 is for you!" would be twisting the graphics issue around, making Fallout 3 look as if it is to appeal to people who are passive consumers and lack everything except basic life functions.

 

[Stag]

LARPers are almost always people who have played a tabletop game, and likely continue to do so. I don't understand what you're sig means.

 

[Sorrow]

However, using an incorrect term to define something is not only logically erroneous - it makes you look bad.

Oh, that kills the idea XD .

For instance "Gamers without imagination - Fallout 3 is for you!" would be twisting the graphics issue around, making Fallout 3 look as if it is to appeal to people who are passive consumers and lack everything except basic life functions.

Hmm...
The main problem is that it's not true either. Fallout is graphics heavy. Also, I never bothered to imaging how book characters look like, how characters in Fallout look like, but I never had problems with reading books or playing Fallout.

The problem is that their playing style - "living in the game world", which includes FPP view doesn't fit Fallout.

 

[Bad_Karma]

LARP = RealTime, with more Action, you only play yourself *cough cough*
Tabletop = Turnbased with more thinking *cough cough*, you can play a whole group
))

It's really brilliant, i mean watch out this year or next year Jazz - Hired Guns (first try of an Jagged Alliance 3 remake) and Jagged Alliance 3 are coming to life.
As another Iso Addon for Civilization 4 and so on and so on...
And they still claim that iso and or turn-based games are old and are just relics...

I think somebody should go and beat them with something heavy until they recognize that this type of argumentation is stupid or they stop bleeding wich ever comes first

This level of stupidity is really amazing, Antrophologists would have their fun with this i think *G*.
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I never read much of the Escapist, but when i read parts of it, i thought they make good articles, ... but this one... oh damn...

 

[Tannhauser]

Well, the LARP description partly comes from RPGCodex, where it is often used to describe what some fans of Oblivion think of roleplaying; which is more akin to playing pretend. LARP is not well thought of there, on the whole, so I don't believe any inaccuracies bother those that use the description.

 

[Vault 69er]

Probably also connected to http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls:_Oblivious.
A joke article that makes fun of Oblivion and LARPing.

The Elder Scrolls: Oblivious by Bethesda Softworks, also known as the Second Coming of Christ, is the best TES ever, The best RPG ever, the best game ever, the best thing ever, and a divine work of art. The game is classified as an RPG, a role playing game. An RPG is a game which focuses on leveling up and collecting phat loot. Despite the name, role playing is never a necessary component of an RPG, and very rarely appears. It is the sequel of The Elder Scrolls Legends: Battlespire. The game is a MESOLARPS, a massive empty singleplayer offline LARP simulator. The basic premise of the game is that the players are supplied with a huge amount of nothing, which they are supposed to pretend is actually something, thus creating the ultimate Role Playing experience.