Lord Shitzu
First time out of the vault
Per said:
Hmm...
Fallout 3 - First Mods
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First time out of the vault
Hmm...
Heh, well I didn't know until you told me what the clear triangles were - that really is f*cking stupid. Now between some glaring problems and the most PATHETIC beginning of any game I've played(anyone else think this whole "daddy!!!" crap is pretty gay?!?) the game has some huge clipping problems just screaming to be patched. And me being a crap FP shooter I wouldn't even care to play this without enemy markers - I am annoyed enough with the perspective as it is. Also - could someone mod the 3rd person view - it is amazingly imbecilic how when you aim in 3rd person, your head masks your target and you really dont see sh*t - that is the stupidest aiming I have ever seen, but then again - I don't play 3PS. Now other than that rant - the game plays OK, like Deus Ex with inexplicable poor excuses for random encounters in the middle of nowhere.
[spoiler:7da9d88dc5]
Yes.
Today I found a magic book turning men into ghouls so they could cultishly worship a Yugoloth demon into existance.
Yesterday I found a vampire with a flaming sword, then I got a flaming sword, and the day before I met fire breathing fire ants.
Beth has demonstrated that they can both screw up the basic Fallout premise beyond Interplay's later mismanagement and they can make the game itself bad while doing so. That their hype engine covers it up and the reviewers and media go along with it is pretty sad.
Tactics probably did the least damage to the FO Franchise, but they actually IMPROVED the Fallout Combat engine from teh first two games, so while all there was was repetitious combat - at least it was improved repetitios combat if that's what you were most into.
The console BOS at least ripped the story from the first two better games, so while basically a plaigerized story they at least had a good source for it, and while they made the engine for console kids at least they did a passable job of it. If you hadn't played the previous fallouts and were into the Dark Alliance system, Diablo-clones, or hell the old Smash TV from the arcades you might have actually enjoyed the game quite a lot. In terms of gameplay I think they only real complaint is that it wasn't fallout, but if you were into those types of games then it was probably fine.
Beth's FO3 in addition to having a crappy plot is in addition hideously unstable acorss all three platforms with glaring errors in textures, terrain clipping, pathing, physics, and even in dialog responses where you'll often get replies for decisions or paths you haven't done yet or did the opposite of. Further, it's a pretty crappy shooter and a mediocre RPG at best. If they were trying something innovative that perhaps could be excused but hybrids of this type aren't exactly new and they've often been done far more successfully. That the hype engine can gloss over that this is in all aspects a pretty poor game astounds me, but it's a pretty bad game. I derive some fun out of it ovvasionally, but I did out of the other two games too and they were pretty bad games as well.
If you enjoy playing FO3, hey, good for you. I get some smiles out of it myself. It does deserve quite a bit of bashing however as it's glaring errors are pretty horrendous. It fails in both story and gameplay. That you can still have fun in spite of that is not a win in Bethesda's Colume. You might have fun watching hyped reality TV, People's Court clone, or Jerry Springer as well. Doesn't make that good TV either.[/spoiler:7da9d88dc5]
Dove said:
Yes.
Today I found a magic book turning men into ghouls so they could cultishly worship a Yugoloth demon into existance.
Yesterday I found a vampire with a flaming sword, then I got a flaming sword, and the day before I met fire breathing fire ants.
Beth has demonstrated that they can both screw up the basic Fallout premise beyond Interplay's later mismanagement and they can make the game itself bad while doing so. That their hype engine covers it up and the reviewers and media go along with it is pretty sad.
Tactics probably did the least damage to the FO Franchise, but they actually IMPROVED the Fallout Combat engine from teh first two games, so while all there was was repetitious combat - at least it was improved repetitios combat if that's what you were most into.
The console BOS at least ripped the story from the first two better games, so while basically a plaigerized story they at least had a good source for it, and while they made the engine for console kids at least they did a passable job of it. If you hadn't played the previous fallouts and were into the Dark Alliance system, Diablo-clones, or hell the old Smash TV from the arcades you might have actually enjoyed the game quite a lot. In terms of gameplay I think they only real complaint is that it wasn't fallout, but if you were into those types of games then it was probably fine.
Beth's FO3 in addition to having a crappy plot is in addition hideously unstable acorss all three platforms with glaring errors in textures, terrain clipping, pathing, physics, and even in dialog responses where you'll often get replies for decisions or paths you haven't done yet or did the opposite of. Further, it's a pretty crappy shooter and a mediocre RPG at best. If they were trying something innovative that perhaps could be excused but hybrids of this type aren't exactly new and they've often been done far more successfully. That the hype engine can gloss over that this is in all aspects a pretty poor game astounds me, but it's a pretty bad game. I derive some fun out of it ovvasionally, but I did out of the other two games too and they were pretty bad games as well.
If you enjoy playing FO3, hey, good for you. I get some smiles out of it myself. It does deserve quite a bit of bashing however as it's glaring errors are pretty horrendous. It fails in both story and gameplay. That you can still have fun in spite of that is not a win in Bethesda's Colume. You might have fun watching hyped reality TV, People's Court clone, or Jerry Springer as well. Doesn't make that good TV either.[/spoiler:7da9d88dc5]
Use spoiler tags.
Any bashing that involves the criticizm of fire breathing ants etc. is quite strange as the previous game included 'Keeng Rat'. A rat that could talk no less. A. talking. rat. I guess mutations can account for all sorts of things right? 
A baby calling his dad 'Daddy' is gay? Seriously....what?
Flaming sword? Its a weapon you make out of parts. No stranger than the ripper IMO.
To nitpick anything that deviates from the first two games in the slightest way is crazy. New developers have license (on paper too!) to add their own ideas. Before all the old arguments along the lines of 'yeah but only if it dosn't piss all over canon' start...... Enough. Please. All is open to interpretation as the individual sees fit.
A baby calling his dad 'Daddy' is gay? Seriously....what?
Flaming sword? Its a weapon you make out of parts. No stranger than the ripper IMO.
To nitpick anything that deviates from the first two games in the slightest way is crazy. New developers have license (on paper too!) to add their own ideas. Before all the old arguments along the lines of 'yeah but only if it dosn't piss all over canon' start...... Enough. Please. All is open to interpretation as the individual sees fit.
I see using silly FO2 approach gives you pleasure. That's cool, really, but don't be fooled and think that it's a good argument, because FO2 did many things wrong.squinty said:Any bashing that involves the criticizm of fire breathing ants etc. is quite strange as the previous game included 'Keeng Rat'. A rat that could talk no less. A. talking. rat. I guess mutations can account for all sorts of things right?
A baby calling his dad 'Daddy' is gay? Seriously....what?
Flaming sword? Its a weapon you make out of parts. No stranger than the ripper IMO.
To nitpick anything that deviates from the first two games in the slightest way is crazy. New developers have license (on paper too!) to add their own ideas. Before all the old arguments along the lines of 'yeah but only if it dosn't piss all over canon' start...... Enough. Please. All is open to interpretation as the individual sees fit.
Then your opinion is wrong.
So are we going to take everything back to the first game? How inward looking. How restrictive. Nothing is wrong in Fallout 2. Just different. You pick what you like and discard what you don't. Same with FO3. No big deal. You don't go and see a comedian and find all his jokes funny. Its hit and miss for everybody. To lay down the law and say 'THIS IS FO1 AND THIS IS THE WAY IS IS AND ALWAYS SHOULD BE' is one certain way to ruin the series. You have to expand the universe and the lore otherwise it just becomes stagnant.
There's a difference between expanding the universe, and taking a giant piss all over it.
squinty said:Any bashing that involves the criticizm of fire breathing ants etc. is quite strange as the previous game included 'Keeng Rat'. A rat that could talk no less. A. talking. rat. I guess mutations can account for all sorts of things right?
I take it you don't actually know Keeng Rat's backstory.
squinty said:
How straw man.
TheRatKing
Vault Dweller
Are you really saying nothing is wrong in Fallout 2? Different things can sometimes be bad. For example, spaghetti ice cream (ok bad example). Seriously though, I thought Fallout 2 was WAY too silly. It had talking rats (two of them), talking deathclaws, easter eggs, and many more things that just didn't feel right in the Fallout setting. I have not played Fallout 3, but it seems that many things feel wrong and out of place in it.squinty said:
[spoiler:703523cd60]Superheros, fire spewing ants, portrayal of ghouls, BOS completely different, super mutants = BAD GUYS duh!, complete disregard for SPECIAL system, and many more. [/spoiler:703523cd60]
tekhedd
Hoarding ammo IS gameplay
I realize that these mods are easier to make because they don't have far-reaching scripting implications, and that's why they are done first. Still, I think it's ironic how things that don't bother me are the first to be "fixed". 
Augh! And the way you have to hold the mouse button down for half a second before it registers a click? And how each dialog or UI element is closed by a different button (or by clicking, some can't be closed otherwise).
Nothing says "crappy console port" like Bethesda's UI.
But I digress. (And, yes, I realize these can't be fixed with a mod, just combining two posts into one to avoid double-posting. )
MapMan said:
Augh! And the way you have to hold the mouse button down for half a second before it registers a click? And how each dialog or UI element is closed by a different button (or by clicking, some can't be closed otherwise).
Nothing says "crappy console port" like Bethesda's UI.
But I digress. (And, yes, I realize these can't be fixed with a mod, just combining two posts into one to avoid double-posting.
)
tekhedd
Hoarding ammo IS gameplay
Pope Viper said:
Yes, I believe that was his point.
The statement "taking a giant piss all over it" is as far from the truth as "stayed true to the lore". Beth did both bad and good things here--It's really somewhere in the middle. Middle ground isn't very popular these days, I hear.
(I know, I know, I'm wrong and I'm not a real fan of the original game(s) if I don't absolutely hate what F3 did to the series. There, now you don't have to bother typing it. Aren't I nice?)
UncannyGarlic
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
What in Fallout 3 is good for the Fallout lore?
The protectrons?UncannyGarlic said:
TheGM
The voice of reason
I actually like the idea of the "Super Heroes"
Ya know for a place filled with radiation a couple of them should have shown up by now since Radiation gives people super powers(Well in the 50's anyway) fits with the whole SCIENCE! theme.
Ya know for a place filled with radiation a couple of them should have shown up by now since Radiation gives people super powers(Well in the 50's anyway) fits with the whole SCIENCE! theme.
TheGM said:
I like that too, but it's a Fallout 2 idea, not really a Fallout idea. Of course, I like Fallout 2.
TheGM
The voice of reason
Per said:
True. It would have fit more in FO2 but it is still possible (IMO) in the Fallout world.
The Master, Frank(yes i know most hate him), hell even Harold(who lucked out and got a crap powers) all had that Super Human origin deal going.
The BOS are an entrie army of Iron Man(Iron Mens?)
I guess it takes the right people to pull it off.
sentorio
First time out of the vault
Dove said:
I think it's a personal opnion but I prefer Tactics to F3, it's not RPG what so ever but it was a great squad based / TB shooter in wasteland.
I'm not sayin F3 is rubbish, it's good I actually already buried about 15 hours into it, however it doesn't mean that I was having great fun with it. Although it's a decent a game but also that's correct that they killed a great franchise. Potentially that's why everyone else pissed off. It could have been so much better, but it didn't.
I'm still happy though at least there is slight possibility of someone is going to get IP and do some proper shit with it.
