Fallout 3 forum polls and reverberations

Tannhauser

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News of the opening of Bethesda's official Fallout 3 forums has been spreading like wildfire throughout the gaming community, and there have been a few notable comments along the way. From the point of view of a Bethesda insider, Ashley Cheng had this to say on his blog:
<blockquote>We've opened the Fallout 3 forums. Everyone here has on their peril sensitive sunglasses ...</blockquote>Tycho from Penny Arcade also had his thorough opinions on the proceedings:
<blockquote>The forums for the new Bethesda interpretation of Fallout are now open, and the sound is like a hundred thousand bats shrieking as they swirl around a jutting spire of obsidian. When I speak with fervor on topics that interest me, do I sound like them? It makes a strong case for a monastic existence.

Acting as their own publisher, Bethesda has the power to do what Denis Dyack has (perhaps correctly) suggested is the optimal scenario: withhold materials from a game until a developer can show it on their terms. In practice, it has been like shaking a soda bottle continuously for more than a year, so that when an opportunity to relieve the pressure was presented the result is volatile.

The history of Fallout as a franchise has all the trappings of a spiritual epic, replete with false messiahs and long persecution. Those who still hew to this strange religion are quick to call out Bethesda's many crimes, but they have no idea what Bethesda intends to do with Fallout. No-one does. The forums must have gone up for a reason, let us hope we will soon have genuine facts to discuss.</blockquote>From the forum itself, there have been numerous polls about what elements are preferred for Fallout 3, the results have been interesting.
<blockquote>How do you think the plot should be ?
Mature, Morally Ambiguous, Where Right and Wrong are just a matter of POV and morals with decisions that are personal and have consequences. [120] - 96%
Epic, Save the Wasteland ! The Big Struggle of good against evil, raiders against towns, mutants against humans... [5] - 4%

Black humour in F3?
No! [6] - 4%
Yes! [147] - 96%

Should Fallout 3 use enemy and item auto scaling?
No, absolutely no auto-scaling! I want my character to actually feel like he/she is improving! [384] -95%
Yes, bring back Oblivion's auto-scaling so that my character never truly improves! [21] - 5%

What perspective do you want Fallout 3 to be?
Old Perspective (Classic) [65] - 75%
First Person [9] - 10%
Close Third Person [13]- 15%

Turn Based, What do you want?
Turn based! Keep it classic, keep it Fallout. [250] - 70%
Real time! [36] - 10%
Real time with option to pause, ala KotOR. [45] - 12.5%
Don't care. [27] - 7.5%

Minigames in Fallout 3?
Yes/it'll be great!/not like Oblivion at all/you stooge! [27] - 16%
No. Absolutely not. [141] - 84%</blockquote>Considering that the polls represent the largely silent majority, who don't become involved in the raging discussions on the forum, there is a clear preference towards the elements of the origial Fallout games.
 
Not surprising at all : it is an illustration of what most Fallout fans want, not what most Oblivion/X360 fanboys want. Unfortunately, Fallout 3 main target audience is the Oblivion fanbase. Cool thing that we will be able to use this poll against Bethesda once Fallout 3 is released...
 
In another poll, slightly over 30% of those who voted identified themselves as originating from the Elder Scrolls Forums (though it was renamed to something more general a few months back). Generally, it seems that those members also recognize and prefer the elements of the original Fallout games according to these polls.
 
I can see Tod Howard with my minds eye bitting his nails to the flesh and convoking an ASAP meeting when he saw the results of these polls.
 
the thing i'm really happy about is that this generates curiosity for the previous 2 installments :D to people who didnt hear about them...


I can see Tod Howard with my minds eye bitting his nails to the flesh and convoking an ASAP meeting when he saw the results of these polls.

i doubt that he is viewing those polls as anythin else then the rabid fans messin with his forumz and not as they should be seen... tis a fine thing between being confident and lying to yourself i guess...
 
it's really surprised me how many of the Elder Scrolls fans have never even *heard* of fallout. Anyway, for those of us adding polls to the Beth forums, I would suggest using more unbiased wording. Your wording isn't really affecting how people vote, but it does affect how seriously anyone will take the results.
 
A Minor Sleeping Silent Majority

Tannhauser said:
Considering that the polls represent the largely silent majority, who don't become involved in the raging discussions on the forum, there is a clear preference towards the elements of the origial Fallout games.

Hmmm .... but what 'silent majority' are we talking about here ? The forum is literally days old, and it's exploding in activity. You just said near 70% of these people come from outside the original forum.

What 'silent majority' keeps up with Fallout enough to keep track about when the Fallout 3 forums open up? Perhaps the silent majority that already exists in the Fallout communities? I'm part of that, surely. (Breaking the spell a little right now.) Still, it's the silent majority of the 'hardcore' fanbase. Ofcourse they'd be voting in favour of the traditional Fallout values. - But this hardcore fanbase is a minority in itself. Hardly an accurate picture.

(( Not to mention most of the polls were all heavily slanted. Where are the interesting polls? Instead of [Black Humour? - Yes/No], where is the [Humour? - None/Dark Irony Only Please/Dark, Gritty and Violent!/Bring on the Easter Eggs!] variety? ))

Over the years, fans have always sprung up asking for real time combat, more vehicles, multiplayer and whatelse not. They were then usually told it wasn't such a good idea - but these requests refused to die for a long time. On the official forums at least. I'm pretty much talking '99 - '01 or whatever here. Over here at NMA, (more recent history. Wasn't here much earlier, so I'm not really sure.) such sentiments were shot down a lot more quickly, and became close to a bannable offense.

As the series grew older, the fanbase thinned down to the 'true fans'. Partly due to inhospitality to other viewpoints, but mostly because regular fans moved on. People who liked Fallout, but weren't quite so engrossed by it that they'd still be hanging around communities based on it so many years later.

Where is this silent majority ? Where are all those people who enjoyed Fallout back in its hey-day, who possibly joined the community for a little while but moved on? What about those who never joined ? A lot of these would also be interested in Fallout 3. But you won't find 'em here. Not on Bethesda's Fallout 3 forum either. Not yet anyway. I'd call this the "sleeping majority". Why ? Because they probably haven't heard about it yet.

But what does this "sleeping majority" think of Bethesda making Fallout 3 ? What does it think about the more controversial choises Bethesda might make ? (1st person view. Real Time.)

Once this "sleeping majority" wakes up, (which might be soon once the Bethesda marketing machine springs into full action) results on these kind of polls will give a much clearer and interesting picture.

-Gerko, Silent Majority.
 
But you won't find 'em here. Not on Bethesda's Fallout 3 forum either. Not yet anyway. I'd call this the "sleeping majority". Why ? Because they probably haven't heard about it yet.

I've been following every corner of the net checking everything there is to check about Fallout 3, and to be honest that's a load of wishful thinking from your part. That's not to say the figures of the poll are a true representation either, just that the division on two different camps about what FO3 should be is much wider than what you think.

There's more hatred against Fallout fans than there is militant support of a RT/FP Fallout 3 game, for instance, there are many more supporters of a Fallout 3 with deep roots in the previous games than those that come to the fansites too.
 
The vanguards of "silient majority" are already trolling the Fallout 3 forum. Most of them probably don't know that the forum is open yet.

And I wouldn't call them normal Fallout fans - they are former Fallout fans, now Fallout haters - they hate the idea of making a game that recreates the tabletop PnP gaming experience.

They have no home in favourite game, they are like rats, moving from place to place infecting games with sickness of misplaced ideas. They just move in and say "I want! I want! I must have! It must sell!".
They don't care about the canon, they just want to have their real world guns and vechicles in game. Because they can't appreciate art - to them it's just a game and it just has to be "fun".
 
Take it easy, ese. You're making it sound as if we were talking about Zerg invasion forces or something.
 
No, I just spent some time on Shamo and other unmoderated forums that don't put emphasis on intellectual discipline and I know what these people are up to. Also, I talked with some people who claimed to be Fallout fans but turned out to be Fallout haters as soon as they began talking about what Fallout 3 should be.
 
Re: A Minor Sleeping Silent Majority

Gerko said:
Hmmm .... but what 'silent majority' are we talking about here ? The forum is literally days old, and it's exploding in activity. You just said near 70% of these people come from outside the original forum.
I don't know, but mostly these are people who don't take part in the discussions over the topics. That is why I dub them the "Silent Majority," the two hundred people who vote over the two dozen who discuss the matter. I think you might be confusing my use of the term to mean over the entirety of gamers, rather than just the Bethesda Fallout 3 forum.

Gerko said:
Hardly an accurate picture.
I said they were interesting, not accurate. I don't believe the polls really mean anything one way or another. Mainly that the forum seem to be much more fractioned in discussion than the polls indicate.

Gerko said:
Not to mention most of the polls were all heavily slanted. Where are the interesting polls? Instead of [Black Humour? - Yes/No], where is the [Humour? - None/Dark Irony Only Please/Dark, Gritty and Violent!/Bring on the Easter Eggs!] variety? ))
I chose the best polls from those available, based on a number of factors. I stuck to polls with a significant number of voters, except the perspective poll, as I remember, the only other polls on perspective (at the time I collected this information) had only a small number of votes or were far too muddled. I also agree that the polls are slanted, I would have preferred them to be more objective.
 
Gotta say...Isometric view for F3 is just dumb.Bethesda is most likely going to have super HD pretty graphics and whatnot, and they are surely not going to put all that effort on graphics to waste by making it so.Other than that, turn based and all that other jazzy stuff is fine with me.
 
Darwyn said:
Gotta say...Isometric view for F3 is just dumb.Bethesda is most likely going to have super HD pretty graphics and whatnot, and they are surely not going to put all that effort on graphics to waste by making it so.Other than that, turn based and all that other jazzy stuff is fine with me.

Thank God, we are finally getting...somewhere...:roll:
Why exactly is Isometric View for F3 "just dumb" ? No, forget it, I think we can do just fine without an explanation.
 
Darwyn said:
Gotta say...Isometric view for F3 is just dumb.Bethesda is most likely going to have super HD pretty graphics and whatnot, and they are surely not going to put all that effort on graphics to waste by making it so.Other than that, turn based and all that other jazzy stuff is fine with me.
Totally, because graphical stuff is totally wasted on isometric view, 'cause....you know, just because!
 
It's weird. People used to make detailed 3d models and then convert them into 2d isometric sprites. A total waste of work and graphical stuff :roll: .
 
Sander said:
Darwyn said:
Gotta say...Isometric view for F3 is just dumb.Bethesda is most likely going to have super HD pretty graphics and whatnot, and they are surely not going to put all that effort on graphics to waste by making it so.Other than that, turn based and all that other jazzy stuff is fine with me.
Totally, because graphical stuff is totally wasted on isometric view, 'cause....you know, just because!

Hey, it's just great that he got that off his chest... He just *had* to say it :lol:
 
I think that the fallout 3 forum is a mix of DaC, Codex and NMA with a pint of Oblivion. So I'm not very surprised by the results from the polls.
But people will start coming from everywhere, now that news sites have started telling about the opening of the forums.

Heh... opening of a games forum making news, not every game gets that kind of attention.

Weird that Roshambo is yet to be seen on the Fallout 3 forums, I suppose he would go mad if he read something there.
 
In regards to the above mentioned poll here are the current results:

How did you get here?

How would you categorize yourself?
I'm an Elder Scrolls Forum regular [51] - 32.48%
I lurk/post on ESF but am not an Elder Scrolls fan [8] - 5.10%
Registered here after reading Bethesda's announcement on a games website [10] - 6.37%
I'm a member of NMA [37] - 23.57%
I'm a member of DaC [6] - 3.82%
I'm a member of some other Fallout community [5] - 3.18%
Linked from a general CRPG forum [11] - 7.01%
Linked from a general gaming forum [12] - 7.64%
Linked from some other forum [4] - 2.55%
Other [13] - 8.28%

There you go.
I'm not a very active poster, most of you get to the point before I do. But this wasn't posted before.
I thought it might be nice to have something to relate to when discussing.
I'm not sure if a link to the above poll would be under advertisements for other forums so I wont post it. Still, it's not too difficult for anyone to find the thread on the Fallout 3 forums.

Edit: The thread can be found here.

Edit 2: Fixed the link
 
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