Fallout 3 reviews: OXM UK, Level, Score, GMC, PC Gamer

I hope he's gone for good. Or at least gone.

I'm not surprised to see yet another person fooled by mainstream media, blindly faithful to their "opinion" about games they want him to think great. But it's still so idiotic I get a funny feeling in the back of my head just thinking of it. How the HELL can still ANYONE buy their bullshit. Seriously kikomiko, why don't you go ram your head into a wood chipper? IGN rated it 9/10!

Ok, I don't mean to be rude. I don't mean to flame. Sorry, sorry. My apologies. You are a very nice person and you know all.

Don't ban me plz?

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Also, the censor thing doesn't work on me.

Eyenixon said:
It's supposed to do more than that, and if entertainment is all you look for in a story then you're a rube.
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Truest truth of all truths. Only the brightest can see that. :clap:
 
kikomiko said:
Eyenixon said:
Because it is not required for gaming journalists to know anything about literature or what constitutes good writing, a good story, or anything good with words.
That's why most gaming journalists don't know how to write anything and thus that is why you must never trust their opinions. They are idiots.

And you can max out MULTIPLE skills, I mean you can easily max out four or even more if you plan properly, it's ridiculously broken.

Trust me, I can put the general gist of the story in spoiler tags for you and show you exactly how idiotic and poorly conceived it is if you want me to. It's absolutely atrocious, even the somewhat generic plots of FO1/2 seem incredible in comparison to this. It's like A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man compared to Harry Potter.
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You can't seriously believe that most gaming journalists are idiots?
Then why does it seem like they are generally good writers and educated people? What you're saying is, IMO, completely false. Just because you don't like the story doesn't mean that it's bad, or that anyone who likes it a complete idiot.
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Not idiots at all. They know damn well who butters their bread.

Alan Greenspan says he's in 'stunned disbelief' over the unfolding deflationary collapse. Uh huh. Idiot? No way. Evil, very likely.
 
It's supposed to do more than that, and if entertainment is all you look for in a story then you're a rube.
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I didn't say that that's all a story is supposed to do. Though, it's probably the most important factor. a story should make you think about the topic at hand, and it should tug at your emotions-which is all part of entertainment.
 
Not idiots at all. They know damn well who butters their bread.

Alan Greenspan says he's in 'stunned disbelief' over the unfolding deflationary collapse. Uh huh. Idiot? No way. Evil, very likely.
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I am kind of getting tired of all of this bribery talk. This isn't Chicago in the 1930's LOL. Not ALL game journalists are corrupt, y'know. I'm actually pretty sure that VERY VERY few are. Maybe they actually liked the game!
 
kikomiko said:
It's supposed to do more than that, and if entertainment is all you look for in a story then you're a rube.
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I didn't say that that's all a story is supposed to do. Though, it's probably the most important factor. a story should make you think about the topic at hand, and it should tug at your emotions-which is all part of entertainment.
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No, Doctor Zhivago bored the hell out of me but it had great emotional content and had me feeling emotions at the same time, I loved the movie, but guess what, it bored me as well, I was actually waiting for it to end.

The same can be said of books like Finnegan's Wake or movies like Inland Empire, I really really force myself through them near the end, but when I'm finally finished I find that I enjoyed the experience even if it didn't entirely keep me enthralled with fun.
 
Eyenixon said:
No, Doctor Zhivago bored the hell out of me but it had great emotional content and had me feeling emotions at the same time, I loved the movie, but guess what, it bored me as well, I was actually waiting for it to end.

The same can be said of books like Finnegan's Wake or movies like Inland Empire, I really really force myself through them near the end, but when I'm finally finished I find that I enjoyed the experience even if it didn't entirely keep me enthralled with fun.
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I remember when i first watched Blue Velvet, I was so bored with it. Every 20 minutes something would happen that would draw me back in, then towards at the end I became so into it. I walked around with my jaw on the ground as I had just watched, in my eyes, one of the best movies ever.

Part of the reason with Lynch though is that the ending's sort of tie up confusing parts of his movies. So you're really not entertained until you start piecing the various unknown parts together and see the big picture. Lost Highway was one of my favorites due to that.

I still haven't seen Inland Empire as no DVD store around me carries it... But they do have Eraserhead for 70 dollars... :roll:
 
Eyenixon said:
..movies like Inland Empire, I really really force myself through them near the end, but when I'm finally finished I find that I enjoyed the experience even if it didn't entirely keep me enthralled with fun.
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Inland Empire was hard to watch even for a hardcore David Lynch fan like me. It also scared the hell out of me in some scenes, as I was watching with headphones in the dark.. It is a very rewarding experience in the end, but it's also very challenging, an extreme 3 hour mindfuck that I cannot picture most people making through. And I thought Mulholland Drive was very challenging before watching this..
I actually dream of seeing a videogame with a content of this caliber someday, but games seem to be going in the opposite direction.. Only game that somewhat reminded me of Lynch was Silent Hill 2, and I remember after playing it for the first time concluding that games are maturing and getting very excited about it.. It seems now I was wrong.
Anyways, I suggest you people take it easy regarding kikomiko's comments, as he is just a pretty young person. (15 years old, I believe it is, kikomiko? :) ). Try picturing yourself in his shoes. I believe if I was a teenager now and I saw Fallout 3 videos, I would be blown away just as much.. It's not like he can compare it to previous Fallout games, as he never played them.
I was pissed at him too just recently, and I earned my first strike because of this. :)
 
I am kind of getting tired of all of this bribery talk. This isn't Chicago in the 1930's LOL. Not ALL game journalists are corrupt, y'know. I'm actually pretty sure that VERY VERY few are. Maybe they actually liked the game!
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It's not about bribes and corruption, it's about the way the industry works and its ethics. The gaming media makes its money with ad revenue, which is predominantly bought by games publishers. The same publishers whose products are being reviewed. Criticise too harshly and the ad bucks dry up, leaving the magazine/website broke and its employees jobless. Simple as that.
 
Section8 said:
I am kind of getting tired of all of this bribery talk. This isn't Chicago in the 1930's LOL. Not ALL game journalists are corrupt, y'know. I'm actually pretty sure that VERY VERY few are. Maybe they actually liked the game!
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It's not about bribes and corruption, it's about the way the industry works and its ethics. The gaming media makes its money with ad revenue, which is predominantly bought by games publishers. The same publishers whose products are being reviewed. Criticise too harshly and the ad bucks dry up, leaving the magazine/website broke and its employees jobless. Simple as that.
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I'm sure there are still plenty of reviewers out there with low enough standards to give anything 10/10, though.
 
Did someone just use the word "rube"?? Come on.

Also. Just to add to the conversation a bit. I've always viewed the gaming media as more "incompetent" than "unethical".
 
For games other than Fallout I generally find a reasonable opinion after reading a couple of reviews from sites like Gamespot, Eurogamer, etc. I know there's a lot of bias lurking under the surface - reasonable or unreasonable - which is why I don't take just one site's opinion as gospel.

I also don't think games reviewers need to have read, well, whatever highly literary book you want to mention (namedrop?) to judge on story and characters. It's extremely rare IMO for a game to tell a decent story, worthy of a satisfying book. Similarly characters. Game developers are not English Literature graduates and as such games reviewers do not need to be literary scholars. I accept this and play games for their gameplay and the unique things that computer games offer, rather than for a compelling tale. (Although I do feel that games like Gears of War are just too far gone if you're after any kind of acceptable story/character - the stupidly macho marines with their stupidly gravelly voices make me cringe)

PS:T had a good story. Anachronox did as well. Those are the two games that spring to mind within the last decade. As others have said here, Fallout 1 and 2s strength was not their linear stories but all the other things they did - the world the devs created and so on.

EDIT: The Phoenix Wright series of games are also worth a mention: their focus and 'gameplay' comes from the characters and their development. There's not much game to keep you playing (some basic puzzles) - it's the characters that propel the player forward. I don't think the developers get it right all the time but if you're after games that want to be novels, with the associated character engagement, PW is a good series to try.
 
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