Fallout: New Vegas Canard PC first impressions

Even if one doesn't like or simply hate Fallout 3, I very much doubt that he would hate New Vegas more. It's really kind of a Fallout canon porno most of the time, with lots and lots of references to the old games. I bet most of the references and hints, the "new Fallout 3 folks" will not understand or even realize.
 
Brother None said:
Anarchosyn said:
Recreate the formula without significant superficial change two years later and one would expect diminished scores.

Your logic is sound. But you are wrong. Case in point:
GTA III 93
GTA VC 94

Ergo.

It's hard to extrapolate off a single example, I'm sure others can be found to support the claim, but I believe GTA VC was considered more than a superficial reiteration of III. Right off the bat they introduced a new vehicle. I believe the pseudo-HDR and Miami vibe were also heralded as a nice change in all the reviews.

'Course it was just a reiteration of GTA III but the key aspect of my model is the "superficial" element. I don't trust modern gamers or the gaming press to pay any real attention to changes under the hood. It's all about the glitz and gloss. Change that and you get noticed. Change just the writing or dialog depth and everybody screams "expansion pack."

p.s. It's also worth highlighting that the turn around time between GTA III and VC was only a year and the GTA III engine was bleeding edge back then. Fallout NV took 2 years, as well I imagine you know, and the tech was considered kinda backwards to begin with (regarding animations, etc).

At the end of the day I'm not surprised that NV is scoring less. I'd probably score it less myself, assuming I could stay objective long enough to pen the score (i.e. I'm a big Black Isles fanboy though I kinda wish they hired some of those Troika kids for the development of this, Tim Cain in particular).
 
Anarchosyn said:
No, it's not a contradiction. Fallout 3 was given such high marks partially due to the era (the Bethesda Gamebroyo tropes weren't quite as dated in 2008 as they are now) and the fact it was the first Fallout in close to a decade, never mind the improvements made to the Oblivion formula through the addition of a larger ranged combat emphasis, better quest structure and VATs. The game blew by the standards of Black Isles or Troika but it was the newness and era which netted those reviews. Recreate the formula without significant superficial change two years later and one would expect diminished scores.

No disagreement. To clarify my point it was simply that - of the reviews I've read (all 6 of them) - they write with enthusiasm about the game. Expound upon the quest/story design and - bugs aside - have next to nothing negative mentioned throughout and then hit it with a score that suggests there's more wrong with it than they say.

At the end of the day I'm not surprised that NV is scoring less. I'd probably score it less myself, assuming I could stay objective long enough to pen the score (i.e. I'm a big Black Isles fanboy though I kinda wish they hired some of those Troika kids for the development of this, Tim Cain in particular).

I think the real problem is that Fallout 3 scored higher than it should have. However, therin lies the paradox: If FO3 scored a simple good and not Great!, we likely don't see New Vegas created which seems to be turning the series back in the right direction.
 
Anarchosyn said:
It's hard to extrapolate off a single example, I'm sure others can be found to support the claim, but I believe GTA VC was considered more than a superficial reiteration of III. Right off the bat they introduced a new vehicle.

And NV introduced factions and other stuff. Aw...come on!

p.s. It's also worth highlighting that the turn around time between GTA III and VC was only a year and the GTA III engine was bleeding edge back then.

I'm...not so sure about that.
 
Well. I enjoyed fallout 3. Yes it was the kiddie version of Fallout and yes Fallout 1 and 2 are much better games.

The storyline fell through at the end of Fallout3, it got "epic" and all-american, which means f'king retarded. Obviously it was much more shallow than fallout 1 and 2 by like a factor of 20. However, FO3 was much better of a game than vast array of games I could purchased within the past couple of years. THe best parts of Fo3 were in the exploration and meeting of people aspects way out in the middle of nowhere.

I have to say... why WHY WHY are people BUYING the big disk of the game vs. using Steam? Unless you have some cool limited edition stuff you are fiending for, I dont see the point!!

I just bought the game 12 mins ago and I almost have the whole game.... I couldnt have driven and come back in sooner time.... also, being that it is on Steam, it is VALVE!! not xboxMicrsuxlive. I stopped playing the DLC stuff on Fo3 as the live thing sucked.
 
To reiterate sea's points, 2/3 and especially 4 apply to me. The Australian dollar is currently on parity with the USD. The Australian Steam store sells FNV for $90... and charge in USD. As opposed to the US Steam store selling at $50 USD. I ordered the physical copy from the UK for $35 AUD. Sure it takes a couple of weeks to arrive but it would take me a week to download anyway, and I'm not vulnerable to regional price gouging.
 
Tagaziel said:
I think you should have said "QED".

You think wrong.

Anarchosyn said:
a single example, I'm sure others can be found to support the claim, but I believe GTA VC was considered more than a superficial reiteration of III

VC was even quicker in turnaround than New Vegas, as you yourself point out. It was a very fast project to capitalize on a good engine from another angle. It is also brilliant.
 
Sup fatties, no crashes for me (on a geforce) throughout the entire game. Not one.
Which is really surprising since it's on fo3's shitty engine and by Obsidian
;o
 
Apparently, CanardPC gave New Vegas a 10 out of 10...

Haven't read the article...I have been playing the game though and while it somewhat manages to feel like Fallout at times, and it's significantly better than Fallout 3 ( way better... ), 10 out of 10 is a bit of a stretch I'd say...
 
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