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GTTV's episode is now online. J.E. Sawyer explains it is a spiritual sequel to Fallout 2, the game start, and simply saying that the BoS is in New Vegas and wearing classic T-51b armor, not prominent and at war with NCR. Hell you can even finish the game without seeing them, hurray!
 
So, with New Vegas, are we assuming Van Buren happend? All this fiction is starting to get hard to keep track of. So, the Brotherhood, is a diminished faction. It doesn't have a stranglehold on technology anymore and it seems like the NCR won the battle. Did the war mentioned in Van Buren occur? Is it just the specifics with Presper that didn't happen? Bah.
 
The war happened in Van Buren and one of the possible endings has been peace between BoS and NCR. As New Vegas takes place many years later and the they are still in war, we can slightly assume, this part of Van Buren did either never happen or it has been decided to not become a canon ending.
 
No, this doesn't make everything from Van Buren canon. But since JE Sawyer worked so much on Van Buren, it's not surprising to see story elements, like the NCR-BoS war (which I always thought was great) and Ceasar's Legion (which I always thought was stupid) incorporated.

Will the war have the same background? Wait and see.

EDIT: by the way, since the BoS is now at war with the NCR in Fallout's canon a few years after Fallout 3, I'd like to point out that makes Fallout 3's BoS and their motivations even more goddamn ridiculous. If a warparty found such a weapon then goddamn salvage it and bring it back however, you're at war for Pete's sake.

"No, we gotta stick around and help the innocents."

Not just were they a bunch of idiots, they were deserters too. Fallout 3's BoS looks worse by the minute.

(tho it's possible the NCR-BoS war was too recent to impact Fallout 3's BoS)
 
Hmmm.

Is it just me or does the music that starts playing during this segment sound a bit like Hell March from Red Alert?

I'm getting confused!
 
Brother None said:
EDIT: by the way, since the BoS is now at war with the NCR in Fallout's canon a few years after Fallout 3, I'd like to point out that makes Fallout 3's BoS and their motivations even more goddamn ridiculous. If a warparty found such a weapon then goddamn salvage it and bring it back however, you're at war for Pete's sake.

"No, we gotta stick around and help the innocents."

Not just were they a bunch of idiots, they were deserters too. Fallout 3's BoS looks worse by the minute.

(tho it's possible the NCR-BoS war was too recent to impact Fallout 3's BoS)
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Yeah, but when I played Fallout 3, I understood that basically the "Brotherhood of Steel" in that game was really the "outcasts" in the fallout universe, and that the Outcast (as they were labeled in Fallout 3) were more true to the original order.

It was kind of smart I guess in a way for Bethesda to make a rebellion of sorts, but for new Fallout players it make be a bit confusing if this BoS in new vegas (and older games) arent the "white knights" that F3 made them into (Im thinking F3, should have flip flopped the labels, but didn't want to make the BoS in context seem like badguys), indifferent faction are harder to paint black and white I guess.

Anyone else seem to notice how more open they are about the older games now? Rather than not really existing in Fallout 3 promotions, they just come out and say, no no this is more a continuation of Fallout 2, 3 was too far away etc.

Bethesda warming up a bit to the old games now (at least publicly)?
 
I bet all the new Fallout fans will be like "whut, were's dere cooler armor oh no why're they wantin' to kill me, I thought they were nice!"
So in this case, it'll be a surprise for everyone. They'll be confused while the real fans will be wondering what the reasons are for the war, if they know their relatives out east sold out and became pathetic or not, and how the PC can affect this said war.

I'm not being self-righteous at all, I swear! :mrgreen:
 
generalissimofurioso said:
Is it just me or does the music that starts playing during this segment sound a bit like Hell March from Red Alert?
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I thought so too.
 
ZombieSupaStar said:
Yeah, but when I played Fallout 3, I understood that basically the "Brotherhood of Steel" in that game was really the "outcasts" in the fallout universe, and that the Outcast (as they were labeled in Fallout 3) were more true to the original order.
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Yes, and no. The Fallout 3 Brotherhood of Steel is indeed the non-BoS of the game, while the Outcasts are the loyalists (confusing, but whatever), but despite what Bethesda would have you believe just saying "they're are outcasts" or "they are rebels" doesn't explain everything. Their story still has to make sense. And it never did. The original faction profile is notoriously stupid and the game doesn't help explain it, but if the home BoS is actually at war while this is going on, or at least in tense near-armed conflict, then the motivations of the BoS in DC make even less sense.
 
generalissimofurioso said:
Hmmm.

Is it just me or does the music that starts playing during this segment sound a bit like Hell March from Red Alert?

I'm getting confused!
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It is- specifically a re-mix made for the marketing of RA3, which has been re-used for trailers and shows ever since.
 
Depending on how "see-saw-y" the reputation mechanics are set up, it could be rather interesting if supporting the NCR will make you a real enemy to the BoS.

Especially since I assume the good-ish characters will probably want to lend support more to the NCR than to the Legion, could make for a fun cold shower for people if the BoS end up attacking them (since it's such a poster-child for the series now).

At any rate, it will be interesting to see how well they pull of the various factions. It's probably the thing I'm looking forward to the most in the game.
 
Brother None said:
ZombieSupaStar said:
Yeah, but when I played Fallout 3, I understood that basically the "Brotherhood of Steel" in that game was really the "outcasts" in the fallout universe, and that the Outcast (as they were labeled in Fallout 3) were more true to the original order.
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Yes, and no. The Fallout 3 Brotherhood of Steel is indeed the non-BoS of the game, while the Outcasts are the loyalists (confusing, but whatever), but despite what Bethesda would have you believe just saying "they're are outcasts" or "they are rebels" doesn't explain everything. Their story still has to make sense. And it never did. The original faction profile is notoriously stupid and the game doesn't help explain it, but if the home BoS is actually at war while this is going on, or at least in tense near-armed conflict, then the motivations of the BoS in DC make even less sense.
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Yeah hopefully any BoS in New Vegas basically call Lyons a f*cking moron (both of em), etc, etc. But we shall see how Bethesda wants their "Heroic Knights" treated.

Im hoping they try and reconcile it a bit, seems like they are trying with the talking mutants in new vegas (Smarter ones from 1/2) that are happy when you kill the "Dumb Dumbs" (F3 esque Mutants?).

while emilo solution wasn't great, it was passable enough (at least to me as fan of previous games) as a way to

1: Keep the west coast BoS 'somewhat' more like their f1/2 attitudes, and still have a skewed version of them in the Outcasts.

2: Give the new fans their poster child "heroes", (which I don't think they really needed, but eh whatever).


Im just interested to see how they are represented in New Vegas, im hoping more like 1/2, but considering 90% of the players of NV don't know that BoS aren't normally like how they were in F3, it might create negative impression if they are reverted back, (I personally hope they are old school and its like a bucket of ice water on newer fans, but we will see).
 
Actually, there are no FO3 mutants in FNV. The divide is between the first generation mutants who are the remnants of the Master's Army (and are on average more intelligent and better trained) and the second generation mutants that were Enclave slaves mutated during the Enclave's excavation of Mariposa, who are generally dumber, as none of them were "prime normals" from a Vault or somesuch, and the mutation was a result of accidental exposure, so there were more side effects to their mutation.
 
Ausir said:
Actually, there are no FO3 mutants in FNV. The divide is between the first generation mutants who are the remnants of the Master's Army (and are on average more intelligent and better trained) and the second generation mutants that were Enclave slaves mutated during the Enclave's excavation of Mariposa, who are generally dumber, as none of them were "prime normals" from a Vault or somesuch, so there were more side effects to their mutation.
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ah well there goes my theory lol, I'm kind of foggy on F3 lore atm, I remember mutants in the vault talking about green goo to make more, but I dont remember if they ever expanded on it. and unfortunately aside from Fawkes and Uncle Leo, no other mutants are friendly.
 
They are looking for more goo, but they seem to be limited to the DC and its immediate surroundings. There's been no contact between the two breeds of super mutants so far.
 
I think everyone is forgetting that the BoS ( both the Outcasts and the east coast BoS ) had no way of communication to the west coast BoS.
 
I understand everything from F1 up to about mid F3 and from there to now I just feel like I am looking into a giant bowl of spaghetti trying to find where the noodles end up (in relation to trying to figure out how these things happened and why in the game).
 
Jet1337 said:
I think everyone is forgetting that the BoS ( both the Outcasts and the east coast BoS ) had no way of communication to the west coast BoS.
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Only because the West Coast BoS broke all communication with Lyons after he disobeyed their orders.
 
I never really got how Beth managed to screw up the BoS so badly in FO3... Their attitudes and morals are pretty clearly defined in FO1 (hell, they send you to the Glow to die so you'll leave them alone). And then to turn them into the "face" of the franchise... ugh.

While I'm still probably not going to buy FO:NV (the gameplay will still be terrible, despite Obisidian's best efforts) at least the lore will be a tad more inline with the real Fallout games.
 
Ausir said:
Actually, there are no FO3 mutants in FNV. The divide is between the first generation mutants who are the remnants of the Master's Army (and are on average more intelligent and better trained) and the second generation mutants that were Enclave slaves mutated during the Enclave's excavation of Mariposa, who are generally dumber, as none of them were "prime normals" from a Vault or somesuch, and the mutation was a result of accidental exposure, so there were more side effects to their mutation.
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Yes, but...how many slaves did the Enclave use? An army?
 
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