Goat_Boy
Still Mildly Glowing
I think those locations aren't finished yet, you can find more content in the BoS south west of tibbets. To enter the bunker wear a suit of Power Armour or destroy the turret in the cave.
Fallout 2 mod Fallout: Yesterday
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Still Mildly Glowing
I think those locations aren't finished yet, you can find more content in the BoS south west of tibbets. To enter the bunker wear a suit of Power Armour or destroy the turret in the cave.
WildWasteland
First time out of the vault
The way I see this whole drama with the video is how the mod was presented. If the released version was only the prison but as polished as possible to show what's the potential and direction of the mod it would have met much better reception.
In this case the mod is just all over the place, inconsistent artistic styles, non existing quests that have dialogs, the dialogs themselves need lot of work to make them consistent and make them shorter.
Not sure what the overall planning is but I suspect you don't want to end up like the Frontier that had too many "inspirations" from other games and the main story and worldbuilding was so bad that almost all praise was given to side quests and cars.
Also to keep in mind that given the scale of this mod it will be compared to the likes of Sonora, Nevada, Olympus etc. each one having pretty distinct visual, audio and worldbuilding style and they set a pretty high standard of quality, especially Sonora.
In this case the mod is just all over the place, inconsistent artistic styles, non existing quests that have dialogs, the dialogs themselves need lot of work to make them consistent and make them shorter.
Not sure what the overall planning is but I suspect you don't want to end up like the Frontier that had too many "inspirations" from other games and the main story and worldbuilding was so bad that almost all praise was given to side quests and cars.
Also to keep in mind that given the scale of this mod it will be compared to the likes of Sonora, Nevada, Olympus etc. each one having pretty distinct visual, audio and worldbuilding style and they set a pretty high standard of quality, especially Sonora.
Alcanik
First time out of the vault
The Space Quest V test was golden. Had completely forgotten about It.
PairOfPants
First time out of the vault
I think the download were took down after a youtuber talked shit about the mod in a video.
If you’re gonna compare it to other total conversions please wait until we release the final version. The art is inconsistent in some places due to placeholder art from other mods being used.
Speaking of the dialogs, yes some of them refer to quests which don’t appear in Pip-Boy but it won’t stay that way forever. When we turn our focus to quests again those will be polished.
I wholly disagree with your request to have “consistent and shorter dialogs”. You probably wonder why… The thing is I’ve been playing adventure games and RPGs for 30 years and I am sick to death of all the NPCs sounding like clones because you can see some editor in charge didn’t put any thought behind it. Fallout is set on alternative Earth and just like in real life, some people talk a lot, some people talk little, some are great speakers, others barely manage to make sense. The way dialogs are done is a conscious design decision to break the boring mould of RPGs. Since you’ve noticed it and pointed it out, I am happy to see that we succeeded in that. Lots of writers worked on this game and I gave them as much freedom as they wanted in order to get NPCs to be as different as they could be. Just like in our everyday lives, we communicate with all sort of people and react differently to each. That’s what I want the player to experience when interacting with the alternative Earth’s people and mutants.
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TorontoReign
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Yeah as much as I like modern RPG's it seems like every dialog tree is designed by the same person to answer basically the same questions in the same timeframe. Good for you trying to halt that problem.
Cthulchu
First time out of the vault
Why not FOnline Engine? Sorry, I'm not gonna go through 30 pages to look for a post clarifying it. Can we link to the reason from the main post?
It's just FOnline's engine is far more superior to whatever Ft2 uses. Maybe except the cinematics and animated heads, but really, I definitely don't mind sacrificing cinematics and heads for faaaaaar superior interface, zooming abilities, real-time combat options, toggling roofs/walls, hotkeying various actions, including aim... Map making, dialogue writing and it doesn't even cover half of the goodies we have in fonline.
I have experience making content and writing server-side scripts for Fonline and from there, it looks like making an incredible single-player experience would be pretty easy. While there is a chance that there are even better tools for ft2 engine, but I so very doubt it...
Taking Reloaded's s3 leaked engine for the base could be very good. I don't think Kilgore would mind it.
It's just FOnline's engine is far more superior to whatever Ft2 uses. Maybe except the cinematics and animated heads, but really, I definitely don't mind sacrificing cinematics and heads for faaaaaar superior interface, zooming abilities, real-time combat options, toggling roofs/walls, hotkeying various actions, including aim... Map making, dialogue writing and it doesn't even cover half of the goodies we have in fonline.
I have experience making content and writing server-side scripts for Fonline and from there, it looks like making an incredible single-player experience would be pretty easy. While there is a chance that there are even better tools for ft2 engine, but I so very doubt it...
Taking Reloaded's s3 leaked engine for the base could be very good. I don't think Kilgore would mind it.
Gizmojunk
Antediluvian as Feck
We gave FOnline a chance. It was too broken and unusable in the long term. It was being refactored all the time with things breaking for good and many dev hours spent on regressions.
The current version of the engine as described by its author is: “Engine currently in completely unusable state due to heavy refactoring.” https://fonline.ru/
Van Buren is about content, not the engine. The fact it has been implemented in 5 different engines so far proves Fallout fans don’t really care which engine they get to play it in. Maybe they did in the past but it’s a different story today. I’ve seen positive reactions to each iteration, so it’s impossible to point a finger at one engine and say: yes, this is the one true Fallout engine.
A perfect opportunity to post this meme:
Our effort requires a stable engine proven in the past otherwise it’s like building a house with a weak foundation.
The current version of the engine as described by its author is: “Engine currently in completely unusable state due to heavy refactoring.” https://fonline.ru/
Van Buren is about content, not the engine. The fact it has been implemented in 5 different engines so far proves Fallout fans don’t really care which engine they get to play it in. Maybe they did in the past but it’s a different story today. I’ve seen positive reactions to each iteration, so it’s impossible to point a finger at one engine and say: yes, this is the one true Fallout engine.
A perfect opportunity to post this meme:
Our effort requires a stable engine proven in the past otherwise it’s like building a house with a weak foundation.
Gizmojunk
Antediluvian as Feck
Gizmojunk
Antediluvian as Feck
For what? —The logo above? That's all there is of it, just the image; the mod folded years ago AFAIK.
They asked me for a logo, and that's what I gave them.
They asked me for a logo, and that's what I gave them.
Cthulchu
First time out of the vault
ah, I see, you just didn't look well enough at the fonline engine. Well, that's a pity cuz it's incredible.
The_Den_Resident
It Wandered In From the Wastes
That's one of the things I didn't like while playing FOnline 2. Every combat scenario was Real-Time unless you got a good roll on the world map getting a random encounter. Where a message pops up asking if you want either
-Turn-Based
-Real-Time
-Random
That's the only time you can have Turn-Based combat. That's it!
Doesn't the FOnline engine require the use of servers?
Cthulchu
First time out of the vault
RT is far superior to TB. It's not obvious, but you can see it when you do all in RT. It's just faster. Like, many times faster. Even though, if you're feeling too noobish, you can always do ~combatmode tb and everything will be tb for you. but again, why would you care if you can't find it out on your own?
There, take a look at bloodcat. He's showing there how to do a very simple dungeon, but nevertheless, it showcases what fonline is capable of:
Doing all this in tb would likely take like at least three times more time.
It does, but in the case of a single player, you can implicitly run it on the localhost. The player won't even notice that a local server is running.
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Gizmojunk
Antediluvian as Feck
That depends upon the task, and the intended experience. RT is superior to TB in cases where options are few, and the decisions must be quick, but it's unplayable when the options are many, and when the player is tasked with choosing the best action for their character.
Consider a martial arts game where the [expert] PC has 20 attack moves that each work best in specific situations, but are not great in others. How do you select one in real time?—How to even know which one to select? The strength of a turn based approach is that the player has time to evaluate a situation carefully before deciding what action to take, (though it presumably takes just an instant in the PC's mind; that PC who is an expert with decades of HtH experience).
This is the flip-side of roleplaying, that the player can roleplay a character who is far more skilled at a task than they are (or far less skilled). This is akin to 'Street Fighter' where one player —knows— the undocumented moves and patterns from experience, while another player only mashes punch & kick, while being constantly surprised. Now imagine the skilled player fighting AI opponents under the direction of the novice; doing only what the novice tells them. Would they not want the novice to be informed of all their options before choosing? If they don't know their options they just shout punch & kick.
RT is superior yes [for some games], but not for the intended Fallout experience. Understand that during the development of Fallout, Diablo [1] was released, and the Interplay dev team were highly pressured by management to make the combat realtime; interestingly... Diablo was originally turn based until late in development, when they suddenly changed the type of game they were making.
These two games play very differently... and are not doing the same experience with combat. Even years later, the devs at Obsidian stated that Fallout 3 (had they made it) would have always been turn based... and this is years after 14°East had made Fallout:Tactics.
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Not saying TB is always better than RT, but your example is shit. He is hiding behind a corner and blasting everything with an (in this situation) OP weapon. Hardly what I would call quality gameplay.
If your game needs you to cheese like this, it's crap design.