Fascism of RIAA

Interesting, I've never actually had a problem with this, Most just released pop style albums can be picked up between 5-10 as can a lot of DVDs, the last cd purchase I made ended up having each song worth around 20p and then the 3 cds carrying them 1p ontop.

Shop around, it's a free market. Unless things are really bad where you are you shouldn't be paying that sort of cash unless you really cant be arsed checking prices. And actually the correct way is boycotting not piracy, And I just though people had pointed out that sales have gone up with those pirates? it cant be too bad if they're buying more.

my view on things.

album cd 5 to 10 squids
dvd same
game generally the same but am up to paying the full 25 for a triple A just released (STALKER etc)
If I think it's too expenisve I dont buy it, I've lived my life without it up untill now, if it's so good I break the law then it's worth the cash, if it isn't worth the cash then it isn't worth breaking hte law.
 
I am proud to say that every CD, every game, every film and all the music I have is pirated. Why? As always the money.... Plus the fact that the pirated movies get here way before the show it in cinemas. :twisted: GO PIRATES !
 
i tend to steal most games i've got (yeah pirating is stealing, no doubt about it). if i really like em i go buy em. yes that might seem strange, but i do...

there are some games i really look forward too and that i buy immediatly without testing it as warez first though.

just for the record, i've got an entire wall full with boxes from games i did buy, so it's not as if i dont support the game industry. i only support those that deserve it (imo)...

PS: say mods, i once told a man on this forum to download the FO game, since he scratched his cd (which is a legal download under those circomstances, as it is legal to own a backup copy). my post got deleted/censored and i got a slap on the wrist. in this thread half the guys here are saying they have wares and nothing happens?
 
Malkavian said:
People who pirate music and movies should go to jail for it.

It's no different from stealing a CD from a store.

I think you're partly right but that isn't the question at all.
That gives no music label, no big firm, nobody except legal crime investigators the right to spy or to look at your hardrive.
Privacy is IMO more important than copyright...
 
SuAside said:
i tend to steal most games i've got (yeah pirating is stealing, no doubt about it). if i really like em i go buy em. yes that might seem strange, but i do...

Thank christ. You've just made me a very happy man. I frequent a fair few boards that a rife with idiot pirates making up rubbish, and you are the first person to have the guts and honesty to say that. Cant express how much respect I have for you over most of the others condoning it.

ExtremeRyno said:
I have not purchased a CD since 1998 - Rob Zombie - Hellbilly Deluxe. I had over 378 purchased CD's. Backed them all up to MP3, and burned them to DVD Back-ups.

Recently my CD Case was stolen out of my car, and in it was every CD I had ever purchased.

Because I now have them in MP3 only, without so much as a Jewel Case to show I actually purchased these albums, I could be fined.

The world is a fucked up and miserable place. Would I delete my MP3 collection if I got sued? Fuck no! I paid for each of those albums, though I don't actually have proof anymore.

Have I downloaded "illegal" MP3's? Yes and No. I've downloaded MP3 files to create back-ups of previously purchased and extremely scratched up CDs. I've got MP3 files for every cassette and/or vinyl album I've ever owned. There is one band that I can't ever find anywhere. I own 3 of their CDs, but they are too scratched to even listen to, and I can't rip the songs from them. If I found those albums, I'd download them in a heart beat. As for the illegal side, I've downloaded some newer albums to see if I liked them (only of bands I collect), and if I don't like the songs, I don't buy the album, and I delete the MP3s. Simple as that.

Almost every CD in my car now are mix albums thrown together from random MP3's from my backups. No one ever steals my burned CDs, anyway.

Then, as far as I know, apart from the newer stuff, you haven't really done anything illegal, it's fine and dandy, even better you have put in the effort to create backups (I recently lost F2 to scratchings... no backup... dang).


Member of Khans said:
I think you're partly right but that isn't the question at all.
That gives no music label, no big firm, nobody except legal crime investigators the right to spy or to look at your hardrive.
Privacy is IMO more important than copyright...

For what it is worth. I agree.
 
SuAside said:
PS: say mods, i once told a man on this forum to download the FO game, since he scratched his cd (which is a legal download under those circomstances, as it is legal to own a backup copy). my post got deleted/censored and i got a slap on the wrist. in this thread half the guys here are saying they have wares and nothing happens?

There's a diference between telling someone to go pirate a particular game and debating whether or not piracy is "okay"
 
Of course piracy is stealing. The law defines it as theft and you can get prosecuted for it - thus, there can be no arguing about the fact that piracy is a criminal activity.

However, piracy is not theft from the economic aspect, because that would imply economic harm was inflicted upon the copyright owner by committing the crime of piracy. However, if a person pirates a CD, that CD hasn't been physically stolen from the company that holds rights on its contents. A loss of revenues cannot occur when there were no revenues in the first place. Therefore, it is incorrect to draw a parallel between pirating a CD and stealing a Ferrari Enzo. The closest thing would be copying the blueprints of Ferrari Enzo and constructing one in your garage. That way, you have violated intellectual property and thus broken the law, but you have not physically stolen property of the car-selling company or harmed them in any way. As proven by a number of researches, if you had not had the opportunity to obtain the blueprints and construct your own Ferrari, it is extremely unlikely you would have purchased one legitimately. That metaphore best illustrates why I loathe the concept of intellectual property.

However, it is moral implications of breaking the law that divide people into those that would never pirate a record and those that have no qualms about doing so. The former group views differences between copying a CD and stealing a CD as pure semantics, either because they are ignorant or because for them the legal definition of piracy, and not its economic aspect, bears most weight. For the latter group, however, desire to obtain music is stronger than fear of legal sanctions - their decision to pirate is dictated by the economic implications of piracy. A parallel can be drawn with 18th century French commoners - most of them purchased only what food they could afford, even if it meant having to endure hunger. Others, however, chose to steal food rather than starve. We all know that the unbearable social situation in France eventually led the country into public revolt and anarchy. My point? If we set aside MP3 sharing as the most harmless form of piracy (one that has been proven that it does not have an effect on revenues of the music industry, at least presently), piracy as an activity will continue to spread, and corporate world will be forced to adapt or face complete destruction in not-so-distant future. Of the well-known carrot and stick method, industry has so far only used stick, which has proven rather ineffective. Though prosecuting pirates is necessary, the only way to combat them efficiently is by furthering efforts to encourage potential customers to buy legitimate products. For video games such efforts can include price cuts, providing free online gameplay, offering free downloadable content and increasing general quality of games. When the industry gets the message, more people will purchase their products and pirates will be going out of business at a much faster rate than by taking police action against them. Obviously, piracy, if anything, teaches companies that shoddy and ridiculously overpriced products result in a decrease of profit, and could thus have a positive long-term effect on availability of software, movies and music, which is one of the main reasons why I support it. And though I intend to begin purchasing original software when I have my own source of income (provided that source of income is sufficient), I will still have no qualms about pirating a product if I identify it as a shameless rip-off (read - I will never ever buy a legitimate copy of any Microsoft software).
 
Two problems with your analogies.

If you were taking the lyrics and sheet music of the songs and playing them yourself, then *that* would be like taking the blueprints of hte ferrari.

Second food is a downright neccesaty, the songs people pirate aren't. You've gone your whole life without it you dont need it now. Drawing lines between starving french peasants and piracy of this kind is hallucinagenic grandeur, as said before a 12 year old child in english class could pick holes in that, if I were you I'd draw a better parrallel.

The economic aspect has some valid points, however in this case, if you aren't going to pay for it you can generally do without it.
If you get a society of piracy then they will be less inclined to pay for it in the first place, so it becomes less of a theoretical justification and more of stealing and having economic impact.

A ferrari, I think we all agree, is generally more expensive than a song, so the odds are wieghted in whether people would still buy it or not. Also cars are seen by most and governements as a neccesaty, the latest pop song isn't.

Piracy may indeed teach companies to make better IP, however it does more to teach people that they can steal and get away with it for free and that companies have to provide harsher anti-pirating methods which harm me as a loyal and innocent consumer.

The idea of "better quality" is also objective to differrent people, what if when fallout was first released everyone just went "I think this is crap" and downloaded it for free, destroying the company?

A source of income is a valid point, but most pirates do indeed have the source of income.

Most software and music have try before you buy methods that are legitimate, if there aren't dont buy it and watch them change their mind.

I also wont buy microsoft software, however I also wont pirate it because I have a respect for people being able to cripple themselves, the law, and the ability for a producer and distributer to charge what they like unless there is serious monopoly violations and price fixing.

If it is a shameless rip off, buy the original or do without, if it's that bad, generally you can do without.

There are very few real reasons to pirate, and most don't really do it for those reasons.


Piracy, if anything, also teaches people that they'll grab and steal things for free if they think they can get away with it.
 
ExtremeRyno said:
How about this: I purchase PhotoShop and 3 days later they released a new version for the same price I just paid. Can't return the software or exchange for the newest version because there is the posibility I made a copy. I felt cheated, and generally pissed. So I downloaded the new version and didn't feel a bit of guilt.

As for Microsoft. I've never purchased any Microsoft product. Win3.11 was borrowed from my dad's office. Win95 was borrowed from a friend. Got Win98 when my dad's company gave away all their old computers, and I got WinXP from the same office just recently when they threw out their newer old computers.

With those two exceptions, though, every piece of software on my computer or in my banker's crate of discs were purchased at one point or another. Some of my discs are indeed backups downloaded from the internet, but I've got the manuals that came with the original software..Not screwing anyone.

This (as said) boils down to privacy issues. If someone was to look at my computer, they would find a lot of software registered with KeyGens and/or cracked. However if they were actually in my house, they would see a crate full of software, manuals, and other proof that I own the software. Same with my MP3 collection. I'm downloading an album right now because it's faster and higher quality than plugging in my tape deck to the microphone port and recording from a 15 year old cassette of "Paul Anka's Greatest Hits." But someone monitoring my downloads wouldn't know I actually own the album and this is just a backup.

Fuck the RIAA.

Well apart from those two exceptions (and those two exceptions are quite understandable and not typical) you've done nothing wrong. Depending on your country and local laws you've done nothing wrong in my eyes or in the eyes of the law.

If someone is to look at your computer without lawful due reason and eventually locally then you have every right to be pissed and sue their arse back to the dark ages.
 
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WEBCOMICS ARE THE DEVIL

I know you can find an anecdote about the RIAA that's funnier than that.
 
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