Greece is the time, is the place, is the commotion- Riots

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On Saturday December 6, 2008 large-scale riots broke out all across Greece in response to the fatal shooting of 15-year-old Alexandros Grigoropoulos by a police officer in Athens' often volatile Exarchia district.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D94UNGO03&show_article=1
Breitbart.com said:
Although there is little public support for street violence or wanton destruction of property, there is a deep well of tolerance for demonstrations in Greece, where the right to protest is held dear.

Violence often breaks out between riot police and anarchists during demonstrations. Anarchist groups are also blamed for late-night firebombings of targets such as banks and diplomatic vehicles. The attacks rarely cause injuries.

The self-styled anarchist movement partly traces its roots in the resistance to Greece's 1967-74 military dictatorship. The youths tend to espouse general anti-capitalist and antiestablishment principles, and have long-running animosity toward the police.
Now in their sixth day, reports also tell of some small rioting and demonstrations in support of the Greek rioters in cities across Europe.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...rotest-spread-with-arrests-across-Europe.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/worl...81211?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews&sp=true

Has this touched your corner of the world? Are the rioters justified? Are rioters ever justified? What should the Greek government do to pacify them? Are there deeper issues than just the shooting of the teenager?
 
"Hey! They shot a 15 year old boy by accident! MURDERERS!!! Let's go on the streets and wreak havoc, so more people'll get hurt or perhaps killed and lots of people will most likely loose everything they have, if they owned a shop or something. Justice must be served! Who the fuck cares you have nothing to do with our cause, YOU WILL BE JUDGED!!!! And then buttfucked"

Honestly, this kind of riots are an obvious sign of retardation. What they hope to accomplish this way?
 
Bleh, I cannot stand those bandanna wearing anarchist queers.

From what I read the government is going to severely punish the offending officers pending an investigation. What the hell is running around wearing mask and Che Guevara t-shirts throwing rocks at stores going to solve?

I hope they all get clubbed and tasered.
 
Bal-Sagoth said:
Bleh, I cannot stand those bandanna wearing anarchist queers.

From what I read the government is going to severely punish the offending officers pending an investigation. What the hell is running around wearing mask and Che Guevara t-shirts throwing rocks at stores going to solve?

I hope they all get clubbed and tasered.

I agree. Fuck the fucking fuckers. Accidents happen.
 
Yeah I'm sorry and I mean no offense but you guys do not understand why this is happening, and have no clue what you're talking about, it's not as black and white as you think.

As someone who has lived and grew up in Greece I can see why this is going on. First off the riots have barely anything to do with just the killing of the 15 year old, there was growing unrest by the younger people for years now, and the killing was the spark that ignited the fire.

I mean I can sit here and write pages upon pages, about how corrupt the government and the Church is, and how there's an ever growing gap between rich and poor. At the same time having one of the weakest economies in Europe, cops beating people to death, guys my age, which is 23, barely making 600 euros a month with a College degree, and then all you guys can say is "oh they're anarchists and they overreacted". The saddest thing of it all is that Prime Minister has not come out and stated a plan of action on how to deal with all this, Karamanlis administration has been a complete failure for years now.
 
Well said. I agree I know nothing of the situation. Perhaps I should shut the hell up.
 
Because this is overreaction.

Tell me, how is DESTROYING other people's livelihood through rioting and looting a rational response? Yes, you've been through shit, hell, everyone was - but you didn't see Polish people torching everything when nation-wide protests took place in Poland.

It's all about maturity. And taking frustration out by destroying everything in sight is not a sign of it.

When I saw the "We support the rebels in Greece --Anarchist Federation" banner, I really felt like applying some directed force against stupid people writing that.
 
Eh we have had the Greece discussion before on another forum I frequent. Some left wing Greece kid ranting about how feta cheese costs 4 times what it costs in England and the wages are 50% lower than those of England.

Oh man I miss that guy he was like a forum pet, does not post much anymore. I have no possible idea why :wink:


Anyways I stand by my statement, they should all be clubbed,tasered, and tear gassed. There are better ways to demonstrate other than running around like hoodlums throwing fire bombs at mail boxes.

I swear I wish I was a riot cop when I see these pictures of the 15-19 year olds in the mask. I would love to beat them down in the streets.
 
Playing Fallout is fun, but here comes the future, and that is smells like Fallout. :|
 
Mikael Grizzly said:
Because this is overreaction.

Tell me, how is DESTROYING other people's livelihood through rioting and looting a rational response? Yes, you've been through shit, hell, everyone was - but you didn't see Polish people torching everything when nation-wide protests took place in Poland.

It's all about maturity. And taking frustration out by destroying everything in sight is not a sign of it.

When I saw the "We support the rebels in Greece --Anarchist Federation" banner, I really felt like applying some directed force against stupid people writing that.

Fair enough, and I agree that destroying other peoples livelihoods is not going to solve anything, whether the people owning the place are rich or poor, things are completely out of control, and I'm very sad to see Greece be in this state (they went 20 years behind).

Thing is protests have been going on forever and nothing ever happens, the problem is that the Government and the people who are causing all this trouble become over-zealous denying completely each others point of view. But I feel the majority of the blame falls on the current administration, not creating opportunities, not doing anything to fix a broken education system where angry sentiments such as these develop in young kids in the first place, and driving the economy to the ground.

EDIT: SSteve, sorry dude again you have no clue what you're talking about, no offense but you over simplify things without knowing the details.

Granted most of them are affiliated with the left, but not all, a lot who talked to the media said they voted for the current administration in the last election which is a conservative party.

The Church in Greece owns 70% of the real estate and have immense amounts of money and other investments, and artifacts worth thousands each, and all this mind you is non-taxable, before all this broke out there was an investigation secret deals between government officials and monks from Hagio Oros. So investigations have been going on, but people can always be bought off, especially in a small like Greece, where there's less people who can actually do something in bringing down the government. I've been to soccer games in Greece, where just because shit started by few the cops will beat anyone they get their hands on, I personally witnessed a guy getting beaten with blows to the head by four riot police with their police batons, could not see his face from the amounts of blood covering it. Now I understand if they arrest people, but that doesn't happen it's beat the crap out of you first take you in after. And soccer games are but one example which I witnessed, even in protests, if the protesters get too close to a government building police will shoot tear gas and begin hitting people to get them away, and this is with not them actually breaking anything. Again though I don't support this kind of behavior in terms of ruining the city of Athens, but this was something they should have seen coming and should have done something about it.

And the future doesn't have to be like this, when people realize that they have a say and can unite, things do not have to get this violent, but a voice has to be raised because if it doesn't, History will be full of examples like the riots in Greece and France, as well as Investment Banks like here in the US making ridiculous business decisions running their companies to the ground, having people who've been working for them for years without a job now, because they wanted no regulation in how they conduct their business, and then turn to the taxpayer and Government asking for help while having $1000 meals. If we let them they will fuck people over.
 
Some left wing Greece kid ranting about how feta cheese costs 4 times what it costs in England and the wages are 50% lower than those of England.

1 liter gas in the US = $ 0.40
1 liter gas in the EU = $ 1.50

So the people in the EU have right to kill policemen and loot? I don't think so. They have right to protest against their government. They have right defend themself, they have right for legal actions. If the government still there, they have right to fight against them, but the fight is the last action.

I'm going to read about the situation, but I see only anarchists and red flags. If the government is so corrupt, where are the non-anarchist, non-communist protesters? :shock:
 
Thing is, in the minds of a lot of young people, that leftist political ideology is a beacon of hope for some of them. Sure the burning down of stores is unneccesary, but these are a group of people that have been pushed around for far too long.

When you have not lived in that situation, its hard to make a rational judgement about it.

And sometimes taking legal actions are a joke, sadly.

How can one hope to fight using the law when the law is in the policeman and ultimately the government's hands?
 
So your government and church are corrupt and your economy is failing... join the fucking club. Instead of throwing a temper tantrum; how about you pack your shit and find a new country to call home?

Oh wait, they're all just as corrupt.

Either mellow out and go back to being a happy little cog in the machine, or kill yourself. The world is already fucked up enough without some little emo twats rioting and destroying property.
 
And sometimes taking legal actions are a joke, sadly.

You are right. But if they want streetfight, they should use lawyers too. 2 front battle. If they just throw rocks, without any words, that is just vandalism.
 
Phil the Nuka-Cola Dude said:
Either mellow out and go back to being a happy little cog in the machine, or kill yourself. The world is already fucked up enough without some little emo twats rioting and destroying property.

First off emo is a totally different type of culture, and has nothing to do with the people rioting.

Furthermore if that is how you feel a situation should be tackled, by being apathetic to what's going on around, is what allows corruption to exist in the first place, and messes things up for future generations, but you know what, if that's how you want to be that's fine, but do not go and judge someone else who wants to actually do something and change his social situation because he sees how unfair things are. The majority of the people whose stores got ruined are blaming the government for what happened to them, if that's what's bothering you, but don't go and pass negative judgment on someone who tries for probably the first time in his life take charge of it, just because you feel like doing nothing about it.

Sacrifices have to be made if you want to change things, and at least for better or worse those kids understand that. And I'm sorry SSteve it's not pointless people remember (especially people from Balkan countries) and people will go out on the streets again, and if it fails again so be it, at least something was done about it, and people didn't take abuse like mindless drones.
 
:lol: Trying to make the anarchist/left wing extremist out to be some type of social hero?

Be sure to post news articles and pictures when those hippies get gassed or beat down by the riot cops. I have been having a bad week and need a good laugh.


Also this:
el1tevandal said:
cops beating people to death

Sources and links as to how many times this has happened? I as well would like a list.
I am more interested in how many have actually been beat to "death" and not just had the shit kicked out of them.

The latter does not bother me so much as I would love to see all those Antifa/Anarchist/Commie/"insert other random left wing extremist group here", take a face full of baton.
 
el1tevandal said:
Sacrifices have to be made if you want to change things, and at least for better or worse those kids understand that.

Hah! If these rioters want to sacrifice something real, have them go toss rocks and flaming cocktails at a police station or military base instead of a fucking bakery.

"I was there, man! We blew up a little girl's bike and held the town shoemaker hostage! We showed those fascist, imperialist bastard, sons of pigs how a true warrior behaves!"

I laugh at your sacrifices. To me, it's about the same as going a whole day without masturbating. True heroism.
 
Paladin Solo said:
Hah! If these rioters want to sacrifice something real, have them go toss rocks and flaming cocktails at a police station or military base instead of a fucking bakery.

"I was there, man! We blew up a little girl's bike and held the town shoemaker hostage! We showed those fascist, imperialist bastard, sons of pigs how a true warrior behaves!"

I laugh at your sacrifices. To me, it's about the same as going a whole day without masturbating. True heroism.

That is what makes me cringe the most. You know these pathetic little slime balls are crawling back into the holes they came from and claiming victory while they blog each other on myspace.

I would love to see one of them throw a fire bomb in a military base like you said.
 
You really cant write this off just with "anarchists" and "communists". Of course many of them might be anarchists, as they want the destruction of all forms of organized goverment and currrent societies. Many of the rioters are also students.

The riots main cause is the social situation in Greece, the fact is the minimum wage is just 700e and the gap between the poor and rich has grown, and the current goverment has not done , in the rioters opinion, enough to fix these problems.

The current goverment of Greece is conservative, and it seems that they are ignoring the demands. The killing of the child was nothing but the spark, as it was said earlier. Also, the officers have been arrested alreasy, so i think it wasn't as accidental as it might have seemed to some of you.

The current economic situation might have also effected this, many people are unstatisfied and many have lost their jobs.

I really can't condone with the rioters destroying private property and fighting with the police, nothing against peacefull protests, but going on full blown riot and making molotovs in student housing areas is not acceptable.

It isnt just "rioters bad" , "goverment good". The goverment of greece has made mistakes, and has ignored many problems.
This is the result of those mistakes, a reaction by the populace. I just hope that the riots don't spread too much, the demonstations/riots in other countries have been mostly supportive of the Greece riots.

fresh from BBC:

"The authorities say at least one person was injured as protesters threw stones and firebombs at a police station, near the city's main university.

Students are also reported to have set up road blocks in some parts of Athens. "

This is getting serious.
 
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