Heres what I don't get.

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Neolk

First time out of the vault
Alright, so dad decides to take the route of the hero and fill the chamber with radiation, I sort of get that. And Autumn is apparently some android that is immune to radiation, once again, i can get that.. I guess.

Heres what I DON'T get. Why did dad do it?... I mean, why is the Enclave even evil in this game? The only 'evil' member of the enclave appears to be Eden, the rest of the enclave seems to be good guys. Eden even said Autumn wasn't going to go along with his plans.

So, if the Enclave were going to activate project purity and save the wasteland, why'd dear old dad go fuckin' nuts? They obviously just wanted to 'elp everyone, so why did dad do it? Why does dad CARE who finishes the project? Does it matter to him if The Brotherhood or the Enclave endorses the plan?

Honestly, what the fuck?
 
Maybe he did not want them to wipe out all mutated beings? I have no idea if he knew about the plan, though.
 
Autumn injects himself with some sort of anti-radiation super chem or something the moment James sets up the radiation blast, though he does die (you can search his corpse), apparently.

As for the writing, who knows? They're supposed to be TEH EVILZ for the righteous hammer of the BoS to smash.
 
That...

Uh...

That's actually a pretty good question. I'm not sure how familiar Dad is with the Enclave, and Autumn is basically demanding he hand over the project and then shoots that one chick.

...

Maybe Dad really likes melodramatic moments?

Drag said:
Maybe he did not want them to wipe out all mutated beings? I have no idea if he knew about the plan, though.
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As Neolk said, Autumn is actually not going along with the anti-muti plan.

In fact, the Enclave under Autumn isn't all that evil. A bit authoritarian, sure, and probably not nice to super mutants (but no one is) nor ghouls (but if I understood the Underworld people correctly, nobody including the BoS likes them either), think Vault City style.

DC under the auspices of a VC-like organization with fresh water and advanced tech available actually sounds better than the shithole it managed to stay for 200 years somehow.

Dammit why can't I join the Enclave?
 
I reckon the Eden-led Enclave isn't all that evil either. Humanity is getting their balls kicked by different types of mutants down in DC. There's what, maybe half a dozen mutants that won't blow you up and eat your brain the first chance they get in the entire DC area. I'd say that's acceptable collateral damage.

Unless the modified FEV is like the FEV in Fallout 2, in which case everyone except vault dwellers and enclave members would die. But you never find any evidence for this. All you get to hear about is 'mutants', which isn't a very clear definition.

At the end of the day I didn't inject the FEV because I 'knew' the Enclave were the bad guys - and I almost always plays a good guy. But if the BoS would've suggested the FEV-injection I wouldn't have had any problems with it.

In FO1 and 2 you could symphasize at least partially with the baddies. In FO3 you can't because the writing is so bad you don't even grasp what the baddies are up to.
 
dmakatra said:
Unless the modified FEV is like the FEV in Fallout 2, in which case everyone except vault dwellers and enclave members would die. But you never find any evidence for this. All you get to hear about is 'mutants', which isn't a very clear definition.
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At the end, if you inject it that is, Ron tells us that nearly everything that was once alive in the capital wasteland dies. And, the PC is likely to be a mutant also since he wasn't before in the vault.

At the end of the day, you have dad who for some reason has a grudge against the enclave (not that we know why). We have him kill a bunch of them and make everyone go batshit crazy, when all they wanted to do was turn on the machine. Why does dad care who fucking makes water? Let there be water.

Since your dad is just a fuckin' idiot, if he would have just... given them the code, everything would have been fine. Everyone would have danced and sang and the radiation would have left us all the hell alone.
 
If you disperse the virus into the river it even shows images of ragdolls laying around in Rivet City, dead from the modified FEV and what have you.
 
Neolk said:
And, the PC is likely to be a mutant also since he wasn't before in the vault.
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According to Eden, the PC would likely survive, having lived in the Vault most his/her life. Same story as with being a "prime normal" in Fallout 1.
 
That's actually a pretty good question. I'm not sure how familiar Dad is with the Enclave, and Autumn is basically demanding he hand over the project and then shoots that one chick.
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Maybe Dad was an Enclave deserter?
 
Geeh, imagine if they actually had that subplot in the game, James actually having deserted the Enclave.

Nah, it would actually bring in some sort of sense.

Personally I think that would have made a cool subplot, the player learning that Dad used to work for the Enclave but decided to leave because he didn't agree with their plans.
 
Hmm... That's actually a pretty cool idea. From here on out in my reality James was a Navarro deserter who arrived in Washington along with that Brandice guy, and this is all, um, implied in-game.

Because as it stands pretty much everything in the MQ is pretty limp, to put it politely.
 
Brother None said:
That...

Uh...

That's actually a pretty good question. I'm not sure how familiar Dad is with the Enclave, and Autumn is basically demanding he hand over the project and then shoots that one chick.

...

Maybe Dad really likes melodramatic moments?
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This is the greatest hole no one has ever thought of. Everything, all governments, all empires, everything ends. The wasteland is an ever present reminder of this. So wouldn't, logically, it be better to purify everything even if it meant the wasteland was ruled by a government. In fact, the enclave could very well bring democracy back, knowing wel they could be in the background the whole time.
 
The way I looked at it, James really liked to do two things.

1) Talk about water.

2) Kill things.

His death really only let him combine the two into one powerful thing he could talk about.
 
DC under the auspices of a VC-like organization with fresh water and advanced tech available actually sounds better than the shithole it managed to stay for 200 years somehow.

Dammit why can't I join the Enclave?
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Good question. It would be pretty interesting to be able to join the Enclave and bring peace to the wastelands. But nope, for some reason you can help Eden, but Autumn? Nope, he has to die. Just because. No other reason.
 
Arbitrarily assigned "Bad guys" is why you can't join the enclave. FO3 has a black and white view of good and evil. And the Enclave is evil.
 
Brother None said:
Neolk said:
And, the PC is likely to be a mutant also since he wasn't before in the vault.
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According to Eden, the PC would likely survive, having lived in the Vault most his/her life. Same story as with being a "prime normal" in Fallout 1.
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I suppose, but that brings up the Moria quest too and all that shit.

Besides, its a little diversion. I still don't understand why dad fostered a hatred for the Enclave, if all they wanted to do was finish his project and take the credit. Why would he care who saves the people?
 
^ Cuz you can't let the bad guyz save people! Then they're not bad guyz anymoar! You've GOTTA have bad guyz in a game, rite?
 
Dad's apparent idiocy is one of the biggest plot holes in the game.

I was trying to come up with reasons why dad might of done it... did he want the glory for himself? Is he so possessive of his pet project that he would rather die than see someone else take control of it? Neither of these reasons are consistent with his character.

On the other hand, the idea that he is an enclave deserter makes a lot of sense, but still has some issues that leave me confused. To me, It makes no sense that he left the enclave because he found out about eden's plan to "cleanse" the wasteland, since he hadn't developed project purity yet. Even still, if Eden had his plan that far back in history, than wouldn't Autumn have still been opposed to it back then, and wouldn't James know that?

And really, I had NO SATISFACTION in killing Autumn because the game did not establish to my satisfaction that he was anything other than a duty bound soldier.

This, and the pathetic ease with which you can convince Eden to destroy himself was so dissapointing I still cannot bring myself to play through the game again, even though I did very few side quests.
 
The game reminds me of direct to video movie really, plot makes no sense and it is all about shooting guys in to small chunks of flesh.

I hate the Eden conversation, it is so short, and it really doesn't work.Me:"blow yourself up!" Eden:"okay, sounds resonable" BOOM
Master dialogue was much better , and was deeper.
 
Well, it can be plausible because Eden is some sort of AI without any self-conservation sense, but for a computer who wanted total world domination or at least US domination it's kind of strange.
 
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