How did you discover Fallout ?

But in this instance, "flaws" are a matter of opinion. You call the FO 3 marker a flaw, other's praise it as ingenuity. This cannot be judged on a basis of facts, but is rather biased toward the individual opinion of the dedicated consumer
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every critics are matter of opinion of someone. but even it is just opinion, it can be fit well with game's real problem. why markers of fo3 are criticised? think about Fallout 1(or older RPGs like Wizardry).
Fo1 for example
If you know where is Necropolise and you can get waterchip there, Shadysand and Junktown became useless. but you don't know where to aquire waterchip. so that's the reason why you have to search and asking around where to find waterchip at Shadysand, Junktown and Hub. and while you searching waterchip, you might do some favor to some people which is called today a quest. but it's not a quest, it's just small task. and whole experience of seaching waterchip(aquiring information+small tasks) is a real quest. not a stupid task to watch some horrible story.

but, what about fo3? there is nothing you have to search or think but just walk to where marker leads to. there is no quest because your primal goal, small tasks and informations(actually it's meaningless background story) are seperated each other. and it's not hard to know because journal indicates that only one task is connected to primal goal. and worst of all, you know everything what you have to do by auto journal. so it is pointless to aquire informations or helping small task for information or favor to help your journey to achieve you primal goal . so there is no quest at all at fo3 but stupid killing or walking tasks with stupid storys that are nothing to do with each other. I'm not calling fo3's storys and tasks are stupid not only because it's writing is bad but also because they don't work as a RPG's elemets. so, fo3 is just FPS with storys and tasks. but was fo3 good as FPS? or good as story teller? I don't think neither of content of fo3 didn't worked well. actually, if they tried to make fo3 a RPG, they can make fo3 closer to Morrowind which is better RPG than oblivion or fo3. but they didn't. instead of RPG, they choosed FPS+JRPG( or story telling RPG) with poor FPS mechanism and poor writing.

in short, quest marker and auto journal killed quest from quest based RPG.
so, those systems should be criticised.

To expect a game to be perfect, or even near perfect on account of bugs, or whatever, is expecting the impossible.
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but at least, they should try to make better. but they didn't. they tried to make worse as a RPG.
 
BigBoss said:
What's up with the My Little Pony fascination coming into the Fallout universe? Not that I have anything against it, I'm just baffled how two completely different series could find a kinship.

I understand that there are women who like MLP and Fallout both, but I never understood grown men who have taken the same fascination... (no offense to any MLP fans that are indeed grown men, just pointing out that it is beyond me, and takes a better mind then mine to understand it).
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Now you know how it feel when we read that people are in love with Fo1-Fo2 and Fo3 in the same way.
You can explain phenomeons but taste is just taste.
 
BigBoss said:
What's up with the My Little Pony fascination coming into the Fallout universe? Not that I have anything against it, I'm just baffled how two completely different series could find a kinship.

I understand that there are women who like MLP and Fallout both, but I never understood grown men who have taken the same fascination... (no offense to any MLP fans that are indeed grown men, just pointing out that it is beyond me, and takes a better mind then mine to understand it).
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For me, I just a very broad band of interests. For the others out there, it's the same reasons that people like anything; characters, story, environments, and/or design.

Even more simply put, you might like to skate, but you can still enjoy riding a bike or a scooter. Or in a more drastic example, you might like punk rock, and also blue grass, rap, heavy metal, instrumental, boy bands, girl bands, and music like Metallic Monks. Interest in one thing, does not exclude other interests. How MLP mixed with Fallout? One person who liked both, made a picture and a woman who liked both took that one step further; Fallout Equestria. I say, you don't need to know anything about either franchise. Kkat does good enough at making/detailing things to the point "Who is Celestia?", and "What's up with Apple Bloom, Sweetie Bell, and Scootaloo?" "How would a pony hold a gun?" "What's a Pip-Boy/Buck (Vault/Stable)?" "Why/how did the world end up the way it is?" are all answered in non-cliched ways. That's quite something if you ask me.

For the recorded, I also like many other things such as Halo, CoD, Doctor Who, Star Trek, Gantz, and so much more. Oh and if you want the opposite of MLP, it's not FoU... It's Gantz. That manga makes Fallout look like a kids game. lol
 
IMO, Gantz lost believability long ago. If it lost believability, it is hard to consider it seriously, to be chocked by it. (doesn't prevent me to still roleplay in that universe)
Personnally, the most frightening manga i read is Ushijima, the Loan Shark. It tells stories of people that borrow money for different reasons, get drowned by their life, get unable to give back the money, end up worse than they were in the beginning. Sometimes, it is less believable, but most of the time, it is very realistic, thus even more frightening, IMO. It must probably be inspired of actual situation in Japan, with (i hope) a bit of exagerration.
 
I didn't say I thought Gantz was scary, just more mature than the FoU (showing FARE more than FoU, and more willing to touch on the bigger subjects). Ushijima sounds interesting. Is is in English? I know I went through a 600K+ word story 3 times, and I'm also working on one over two times that... but I have a ruff time reading most things. For Fallout Equestria, and Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons, I needed to use a TTS program and audio books to read to me. It makes a 310 hour reading (if I go fast) a 62 hour reading. So it would be best for me to watch it in English dub.
 
I don't know it is available in France, but i don't know about other countries.
It is a manga, like the japanese comics, so reading it is not that hard.
Beside that, you are not needed to read it all. Ushijima is a succession of short stories that last between a few pages and multiple books, essentially involving people that own money as separated protagonists, while the very same crew of loan shark serve as recurrent characters. (which have a storyline of their own, scatered during these separated stories)

I heard that there are film/series adaptation, but i never watched them, so i don't know about their quality.
 
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I discovered Fallout when Fallout 3 was released. I was totally hooked. Then when New Vegas came out, I was not as interested in this game... It wasn't bad and I don't hate it. But the mechanics were 'meh'. But then I thought "Wait. So there is 3 and New Vegas, Where are the other games. So I did some researching and went to Walmart to pick up the Collection edition that contained Fallout/Fallout 2/Fallout Tactics. Immediately I was hooked! Fallout 1/Fallout 2 are my favorite games, 3 being in the Third spot.
 
I can across Fallout when I bought my Xbox 360 in 2009 and it came with a bundle of games and one of them was Fallout 3. I had no idea at the time what the fallout series was. So I put it in my system and after I got to the D.C area I was in love with the game and wanted to play more of the series.
 
saw the cover of Fallout 2 on a game store, I kinda liked the Encalve Armor. so I decided to give it a try. and luckily I wasn't disappointed at all. took me 3-4 years to finish it because my english sucked and Fallout was text heavy. so I simply stopped playing after awhile, then returned, left again, returned again until my english was good enough to understand it fully.
 
So mine is kinda interesting. I came over to a friends house to play COD. Well we played zombies and I happened to notice there was an interesting game. I only saw the back but it was Fallout: New Vegas. I asked him and he told me and I asked if I could try it out. Well he denied me. :P About a year later my bro got Oblivion and then Skyrim. I think I got Fallout NV before Skyrim. I thought Bethesda was cool so I got NV. First thing I did was drink lots of whiskey and got addicted(Why Not?). After that I saw that there was a Fallout 3. Saved D.C. and did research. Got the original, gave up, came back and completed. Now I just have tactics...
 
dragggon3 said:
So mine is kinda interesting.
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Saved D.C. and did research. Got the original, gave up, came back and completed. Now I just have tactics...
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Don't you mean you have Tactics AND BOS? No true Fallout fan can claim that he/she has beaten the entire series without slogging through FOBOS and understanding, from firsthand experience and not just agreeing with a faceless collective, why they hated the game from the bottom of their heart. =)
 
after going several years without a pc, i finally got one right when fallout 2 was coming out. i had once been a serious PnP gamer, including (for too short a time) running a gamma world campaign that was specifically, by my design, a post-nuclear setting. honestly, i like fallout's take better than mine. the use of "raygun gothic" elements was especially appealing to me. after i read about it, i just had to play it.

& it delivered.

that was really a remarkable time for RPG's made in the west. besides getting to go back and play fallout, over the next few years we got BG 1 & 2, system shock 2, planescape: torment, and arcanum. good times.
 
Fallout 3 was my first game in the series, and I enjoyed the game as much as anyone would enjoy their first Fallout game. When I saw many old Fallout veterans claiming that the game was terrible and its first two predecessors were better, I watched YouTube videos of how those two games were played, I was not impressed. I only downloaded Fallout 2 to see what was the appeal of it, and it was an ordeal when I first played it. I stopped playing it and came back to what I thought was an excellent game until I started to realize that the game had more issues than I realized, the story felt generic and simplistic, the quests were not well-written, the characters all seem bland and had the intellect of a toy soldier, and the "ambient" music did not feel like anything someone would inspect to hear in a post-apocalyptic world. I was tired of Fallout 3, so I downloaded Fallout 1, 2 (reinstalled the game), and Tactics as a package. I first played Fallout 1, and when I progress to the game, my enjoyment of the game increased to the point that it was a much more superior title than Fallout 3. Secondly, I play Tactics, although the game did not live up to its standards, I still enjoyed it more than 3. After playing the games, Fallout 2 was all that is left, I played through the whole game and is now my favorite in the series. New Vegas is the latest Fallout game that I owned and is now tied with Fallout 1 as the second best game in the series, Fallout Tactics at fourth place and Fallout 3 behind it. That is my story on how I discovered Fallout.
 
IRRC... A homeless friend of mine bought the Interplay anthology set ~mailorder; the one with 'Redneck Rampage', and 'Lost Vikings 2' on it. He needed an address to have it shipped to, so I let him ship it to my house.

*Some weeks later he gave me the set.
 
My next door neighbor handed me a magazine release for general gaming and 2 pages were dedicated to Fallout, which was enough to get me interested.
 
5545Trey said:
Fallout 3 was my first game in the series, and I enjoyed the game as much as anyone would enjoy their first Fallout game. When I saw many old Fallout veterans claiming that the game was terrible and its first two predecessors were better, I watched YouTube videos of how those two games were played, I was not impressed. I only downloaded Fallout 2 to see what was the appeal of it, and it was an ordeal when I first played it. I stopped playing it and came back to what I thought was an excellent game until I started to realize that the game had more issues than I realized, the story felt generic and simplistic, the quests were not well-written, the characters all seem bland and had the intellect of a toy soldier, and the "ambient" music did not feel like anything someone would inspect to hear in a post-apocalyptic world. I was tired of Fallout 3, so I downloaded Fallout 1, 2 (reinstalled the game), and Tactics as a package. I first played Fallout 1, and when I progress to the game, my enjoyment of the game increased to the point that it was a much more superior title than Fallout 3. Secondly, I play Tactics, although the game did not live up to its standards, I still enjoyed it more than 3. After playing the games, Fallout 2 was all that is left, I played through the whole game and is now my favorite in the series. New Vegas is the latest Fallout game that I owned and is now tied with Fallout 1 as the second best game in the series, Fallout Tactics at fourth place and Fallout 3 behind it. That is my story on how I discovered Fallout.
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That sounds about right. If you were to go back to ANY "older" game after playing modern titles, which conventionally "hold your hands" more nowadays than they did a decade ago, you would be met with immediate frustration over the mechanics, had you not played it at the time it came out. Hell, I ran into that dilemma when I played Warcraft: Orcs and Humans AFTER WC2, because the mechanics were so inferior, it made playing it feel like a hassle.

I'm not surprised by your ranking of the games, in fact I'd agree with it, but I feel like I should recommend you find a way to try out FOBOS. Not because it's any good, mind you, but because I feel like it's a valuable lesson to anyone, and it's precious context. It's really bad to just follow the group and agree "Oh yeah, terrible game, just terrible" if you never played it, and I feel like too many people allow themselves to do this. I genuinely despise FOBOS because I played it, bought it for my PS2 when it first came out, and from practically the moment I began playing it, I was turned off. That only grew, until what I was left with was a fond hatred of a poorly-constructed game, but not out of group-think, out of personal experience. It was easily FOBOS that left me so receptive to FO3 and so welcoming to it, and arguably why it took me years to begin to shift my opinion of the game in a more and more negative direction. I still think FO3 absolutely CANNOT compare to the depth of failure as FOBOS, but if we never learn the mistakes of the past, we can only guarantee repeating them at some point.....
 
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