How Would You Handle Somali Pirates?

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Thomas de Aynesworth

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I just recently watched this YouTube movie:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TruV3sxS9Zw[/youtube]

Apparently there is some debate on what to do with Somali pirates.

A rumor about this video states that the pirates were on board when the ship exploded, though I've found nothing substantive to corroborate this information with.

What are your views on dealing with pirates? Should they be brought to trial or should it be the the discretion of the captain of ship that captured the pirates on how to punish them, under the auspices of 18th and 19th century precedent?
 
How much would it cost to haul these pirates in for questioning and interrogation? What are the inherent dangers in such operations both to soldiers and police to the civillian population? Who if anyone would benefit from such legislation?
 
Faceless_Stranger said:
Hang'em, that's what you do to pirates, right?
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In the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries, individual ships that took enemy ships or pirate ships would typically hang the pirate crew back at a port and then sell the enemy or pirate's ship for prize money. For some reason the Russians didn't think that pirate ship could be worth anything back home, or it might be against protocol.

They also seem to think it's pretty novel that the pirates were using Tokarev TT pistols.
 
Pirates should have weights tied to their legs and thrown overboard. Really, the captain of the attacked vessel should have the right to dictate what to do to them - even if that means killing them.
 
Tagaziel said:
Pirates should have weights tied to their legs and thrown overboard. Really, the captain of the attacked vessel should have the right to dictate what to do to them - even if that means killing them.
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I'd just shoot them, throw the corpses overboard, and take the ship as prize money, unless there were extenuating circumstances.
 
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Thomas de Aynesworth said:
I'd just shoot them, throw the corpses overboard, and take the ship as prize money, unless there were extenuating circumstances.
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I was waiting for this predictable response Mr. Thomas, the whole thread was just bait to lure us blood thirsty creeps in...I think we need to understand that these men were originally fishermen, who's livelihood was wiped out by the large commercial fishing fleets from Europe during the 1990s. Their complaints fell on deaf ears, and their villages were left destitute. If I was them I would shoot the fuck out of any ship I came across and eat the crew...then take back any scraps for my poor village buddies. :mrgreen:
 
.Pixote. said:
I was waiting for this predictable response Mr. Thomas, the whole thread was just bait to lure us blood thirsty creeps in...I think we need to understand that these men were originally fishermen, who's livelihood was wiped out by the large commercial fishing fleets from Europe during the 1990s. Their complaints fell on deaf ears, and their villages were left destitute. If I was them I would shoot the fuck out of any ship I came across and eat the crew...then take back any scraps for my poor village buddies. :mrgreen:
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I was agreeing with Tagaziel, just adding that the property of those pirates should be captured and taken back to Russia, rather than sunk. Could make a few hundred thousand USD, with a rig like that.
 
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.Pixote. said:
Thomas de Aynesworth said:
I'd just shoot them, throw the corpses overboard, and take the ship as prize money, unless there were extenuating circumstances.
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I was waiting for this predictable response Mr. Thomas, the whole thread was just bait to lure us blood thirsty creeps in...I think we need to understand that these men were originally fishermen, who's livelihood was wiped out by the large commercial fishing fleets from Europe during the 1990s. Their complaints fell on deaf ears, and their villages were left destitute. If I was them I would shoot the fuck out of any ship I came across and eat the crew...then take back any scraps for my poor village buddies. :mrgreen:
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Pixote has a very good point, even if not all pirates are fishermen or fishermen's children, some are from the many gangs of Somalia and are there for the money.
But it's true that the pirates are very popular among the fishermen because they keep the fishing fleets out of somali's water, not even speaking about the boats dumping toxic or nuclear waste.
Right now the pirates are transfered to the only viable state in the area : Kenya where they are prosecuted and jailed for a few years.
Not that it matters anyway, there are enought poor people in Somalia to replace them in a second.
All of these probleme take their origin in the fact that Somalia doesn't have a real state, in order to regulate its own population AND to protect its people from the abuses of other countries.

Killing the somali pirates wouldn't solve anything. Unless you intend to kill the whole somalia population that is...
 
Grayswandir said:
Right now the pirates are transfered to the only viable state in the area : Kenya where they are prosecuted and jailed for a few years.
Not that it matters anyway, there are enought poor people in Somalia to replace them in a second.
All of these probleme take their origin in the fact that Somalia doesn't have a real state, in order to regulate its own population AND to protect its people from the abuses of other countries.
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Perhaps the answer then would be to partition Somalia and have various territories annexed by other African countries with more or less stable governments, until that time when Somalia is ready to govern herself.

Killing the somali pirates wouldn't solve anything. Unless you intend to kill the whole somalia population that is...
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Imagine all the prize money?
 
Perhaps the answer then would be to partition Somalia and have various territories annexed by other African countries with more or less stable governments, until that time when Somalia is ready to govern herself.
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Kinda what's happening already, the Somaliland is de facto an independant country (in a way similar to the north irak/ Kurdistan), and Ethiopia had troops for 3 years in Mogadishio (2006-2009 i think) to prevent the victory of the islamic tribunals. But the last thing Kenya and Ethiopia need is to have an islamic/Lords of War Vietnam within their border, that could disrupt their own fragile social order...
At best, they can contain the situation to keep it out of their borders...
Ethiopia still got bombed a few times during the football world cup.
 
That accent, "Whjat the fuck is thjaat? Whje Ghave aa Granaade". :lol:

I'd make them work in Disney World Florida; "Somalian Pirates, The Ride".
 
.Pixote. said:
I was waiting for this predictable response Mr. Thomas, the whole thread was just bait to lure us blood thirsty creeps in...I think we need to understand that these men were originally fishermen, who's livelihood was wiped out by the large commercial fishing fleets from Europe during the 1990s. Their complaints fell on deaf ears, and their villages were left destitute. If I was them I would shoot the fuck out of any ship I came across and eat the crew...then take back any scraps for my poor village buddies. :mrgreen:
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Yeah, it really is the west's fault that there are Samali pirates and you shouldn't just go around ignoring international law when it's convenient. The solution is to fix the county but no one is particularly interested in dealing with the Africa mess.
 
No need to make a spectacle of things by hanging them back at port, we are civilized are we not? Simply shoot them and throw them overboard. They should be aware of the risk when they take up arms against foreign vessels.
 
Bal-Sagoth said:
No need to make a spectacle of things by hanging them back at port, we are civilized are we not? Simply shoot them and throw them overboard. They should be aware of the risk when they take up arms against foreign vessels.
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You what some of the companies and nations are doing today with African nations (Nestle anyone ...) could be called as simple colonialsim. But since we are civlized its caled Corporatism or defence of interest.

I find it funny that when in the US or Europe when nations are threated in their economy they go on about how they would defend it with weapons if necessary but when Somalis do the same to get what they need to survive eventually its called piracy. Now anyone of us would probably act in the same way if you have no other alternative.

Of course that doesnt mean the crews of ships dont have the right to defend them self or nations even sendin in war ships as protection. But taht will not solve the problem in the long run.

Maybye if we decide to get finally some advice from movies things might change, Escape from Somalia anyone ? Just build a large wall around it then we can send for some unowkn reason the US president with a plane over it so it gets shoot down and someone has to send Kurt Russell to rescue him.
 
Somali's comandeer the tankers, by throwing up grappling hooks and climbing up the sides. Issue sailors firearms training and weapons, and certain rights, and no other ship shall ever be boarded.
 
Threepwood said:
Somali's comandeer the tankers, by throwing up grappling hooks and climbing up the sides. Issue sailors firearms training and weapons, and certain rights, and no other ship shall ever be boarded.
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Claymore's strapped to the side of the ship, let them kill themselves....it's much more amusing that way.
 
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