I HATE San Francisco in Fallout 2

Lanius

Lanius

Monster of the East
Yes, "hate" might be strong word, but it is like it is.
I always HATED San Francisco in Fallout 2. It just didn't fit in, in my opinion. The artwork, the buildings, the streets. I don't know. It's too clean. It never looked like a part of the Fallout 2 world.
I also HATED what the Shi looked like. The models used for them. It's just... not Fallout. If you know what I mean.

I DID like the tanker though! Because that's what Fallout looks like. Dilapidated, dirty, damaged.
 
He's saying the tanker fit in with the Fallout theme, but the rest of San Francisco did not fit.

I didn't hate the place, but it did stray from the formula. Karate fighters? An emperor? Come on. China was a communist state. And they turned the Chinese into some Jackie Chan clowns.
 
SF is bad in one thing especially - technology.
You could buy power armor, gauss rifle or jet cure in some shop. BoS would destroy such place in first place.
I really hope it get nuked by Enclave after FO2, even in FNV we didn't got any reference about SF and NCR is not using any tech from it.
 
Languorous_Maiar said:
You could buy jet cure in some shop.
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It was just ridiculous.
If SF already sells antidote, why we have to find the way to
make it?
Languorous_Maiar said:
power armor
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If my memory is correct, rivet city also sells power armor though everything in fo3 is just POS.

I guess Languorous_Maiar said what Lanius want to say.
for aspect of over technology, SF is bad work.
it's reasonable reason. and I agree
but hate SF because it's clean isn't good reason to me.
 
The real problem about SF (which is why it looks so "clean") is that it is poorly detailed. Maybe they rushed it at the end of the development process, but the city didn't get much love compared to the walls and the level of details of other towns, like New Reno.
 
Languorous_Maiar said:
jet cure
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Even though I'd like to see them thrive, just for the sake of it, being able to find jet cure there is really disrupting IMO. Far more than anything else, since there is a quest to find out about it, like being REALLY bleeding edge, you actually help to invent it, and somehow it's magically in San Fran in shops. WUT?

woo1108 said:
but hate SF because it's clean isn't good reason to me.
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Fully agree, it's really a lazy reason to hate it. Considering they seem to have a real organization there (disrupting, but seemingly well structured and thought), it makes sense it's not the classic dirty town in Fallout 1 and 2.
 
woo1108 said:
Languorous_Maiar said:
You could buy jet cure in some shop.
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It was just ridiculous.
If SF already sells antidote, why we have to find the way to
make it?


My guess is that we weren't supposed to go there until far later in the game, when we have discovered the cure and actually managed to distribute some to places, thus it would make more sense that when we arrive to SF, there is a steady supply of antidotes. But it is just my theory, not necessarily facts. Perhaps some editing could be done to them vendors that they won't sell the antidote until the cure-quest has been completed, but I can only imagine what technical nightmare could erupt from such tampering (not a coding expert myself).
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Sephis said:
The guys on the tanker are better equipped than some Enclave soldiers.
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Erm, no?
I didn't saw any PA in their hands, + they have 2 gauss rifles, but while taking into account that all soldiers in Oil Rig with old PA have it too, I wouldn't say they're better equipped. (it's like saying NCR guys are better equipped because they also have 2 gauss rifles)
 
The Enclave thought that whoever destroyed their Oil Rig was from San Fran, so they nuked it via a bomb.

More about it in the Vault Wiki.


Enclave nuked the hell out of San Francisco, assuming that the destruction of the oil rig was caused by attackers from that city (and also a way to clean the slate there).
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Mohamed2001 said:
The Enclave thought that whoever destroyed their Oil Rig was from San Fran, so they nuked it via a bomb.

More about it in the Vault Wiki.


Enclave nuked the hell out of San Francisco, assuming that the destruction of the oil rig was caused by attackers from that city (and also a way to clean the slate there).
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Where did you find this information?
I can't find it on the official page, and the language used in the sentence you quoted does not seem a proper one, usually employed for articles.


If I'm not wrong, you can revisit San Fran in post-end gameplay of F2...meaning it is not nuked.

Also, there is no mention of any sort by NCR soldiers in FNV regarding San Fran, and I imagine that an event such as a nuclear detonation would be worth a mention.

I also doubt that Enclave has nuclear weapons at their disposal and that nuking an entire city solely on an assumption of Chosen One coming from there is a viable option...even for the Enclave.
After all, they wouldn't waste their resources just like that.
 
I wrote about SF-being-nuked in Wiki article.
Here reference:
http://forums.obsidian.net/index.php?automodule=blog&blogid=1&showentry=151|Page

If I'm not wrong, you can revisit San Fran in post-end gameplay of F2...meaning it is not nuked.
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In post-end gameplay of F2 you don't have ANY outcomes of your actions. (only few dialogues in Vault City and New Reno)

that nuking an entire city solely on an assumption of Chosen One coming from there is a viable option...even for the Enclave.
After all, they wouldn't waste their resources just like that.
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Learn lore, seriously. Enclave thought that Shi destroyed Oil Rig, and it's totally logical. (shi having better tech than anyone not counting Enclave themselves)

Also, there is no mention of any sort by NCR soldiers in FNV regarding San Fran, and I imagine that an event such as a nuclear detonation would be worth a mention.
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Don't get me wrong, but Cathedral got nuked and anyone is telling you about it in F2/FNV.
Oil Rig was also nuked, and only Enclave personel and participant of nuking can mention that.
IF SF got nuked, who would propagate that information? Mhm, NCR, which has ZERO contact with SF? Interesting.

After all, they wouldn't waste their resources just like that.
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Considering 90+% of Enclave population disappeared in few seconds, issuing a death sentence for entire Enclave, I don't see point, why they shouldn't take their revange.

Ofc. nothing is certain. SF maybe got nuked (at least get in Van Buren), maybe not. However, it would be better for Fallout lore if that happened.
 
woo1108 said:
If my memory is correct, rivet city also sells power armor though everything in fo3 is just POS.
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Haven't been playing unmodded for a long long time but i'm pretty sure you can't buy power armor in rivert city. And if you could it may have to do with them dealing with the BOS compared to SF where you have a single guy sneaking around his bunker :wink:
 
I -NEVER- found ANY Power Armor in SF in FO2.

I got PA from the following:

[spoiler:6040f2a544]1 - APA - Navarro

2 - T-51B - Army Base

3 - T-51B - BOS Safehouse

4 - APA MK2 - Oil Rig.[/spoiler:6040f2a544]

I also found only 1 PA in Rivet City, but it was in a very very very very poor condition.
 
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