M.A.D.? No, just Perimeter.

Holy hell, The Cold War just keeps getting better and better, and it's apparently not over.

And looking at that graph showing the number of nuclear arms doesn't make Moscow look very convincing on their disarming promises.
 
So if a meteor (the non-OMFG-teh-end-kind!), hits certain russian areas causing some ground shakes, smoke clouds and temporary loss of comunications, a nervous, bored, young military tech hidden in some underground spidderwebbed hole, could get a red light ordering him to launch a gizillion nukes all over the place??

Damn martians better not find out about this!! :P
 
I thought the system will only activate if major part of Russia faced Nuclear strike instead of certain part :shock:
 
x'il said:
So if a meteor (the non-OMFG-teh-end-kind!), hits certain russian areas causing some ground shakes, smoke clouds and temporary loss of comunications, a nervous, bored, young military tech hidden in some underground spidderwebbed hole, could get a red light ordering him to launch a gizillion nukes all over the place??
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No, there's a series of if/then steps that prevent it being triggered by a single earthquake or celestial body impact. And communication links to the general staff has to be severed for a period of time.


So unless a meteor strikes Moscow while the Eurasian plate mega-wobbles all at the same time, we're pretty safe from nuclear holocaust.

I still don't really see how this differs from the American system other than the remaining missiles communicating with a "mother missile". The system is far from autonomous, there are at least 2 steps involving humans pressing a button. Calling it a "doomsday device" is exaggerated.


Poland has been majorly fucked over in each and every conflict since the 19th century.


Also, to switch topics a little, why does everyone worry about Iran and N.Korea having nukes? At most, they could build one or two, and it's not even guaranteed they'd work properly. While those countries might be somewhat unstable, they're not stupid enough to not understand that a nuclear launch on ANYTHING would bring the entire world down in a shitstorm upon them. Hell, I don't even think they would be allowed to exist as a country if they did that. A single nuclear payload is leverage only in Hollywood.
 
Why would anyone want Iran or Peoples Democratic Republic of Korea to have nuclear weapons and capability to produce them ? DPRK is being run by one idiotic man at a time with total power within its borders. Iran is being led by religious fanatics.
I wouldnt call neither group sensible, intelligent people.
 
victor said:
Also, to switch topics a little, why does everyone worry about Iran and N.Korea having nukes? At most, they could build one or two, and it's not even guaranteed they'd work properly. While those countries might be somewhat unstable, they're not stupid enough to not understand that a nuclear launch on ANYTHING would bring the entire world down in a shitstorm upon them. Hell, I don't even think they would be allowed to exist as a country if they did that. A single nuclear payload is leverage only in Hollywood.
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Funny you should mention that.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33016209/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/33018397#33018397


The Western World disagrees.
 
Don't misinterpret, now. I'm in no way saying they SHOULD have nuclear weapons. I'm just saying it's not as disastrous as media spin and self-serving politicians want everyone to believe. I'm no less afraid of the US' or Russia's plethoric arsenals, than North Korea's single little firecracker that doesn't reach further than Japan.

And why would it trigger an International crisis and World war 3 and so on? Sure, it might, but I doubt any country would side with a tiny bandit nation that shoots a nuke at a city full of innocent civilians. Attacking pre-emptively, on the other hand, like NATO likes to do these days, would probably cause major problems.


Also, Iran's politics are slightly more complex than what you're saying, and I honestly have my doubts Kim Jong Il is in power anymore, and even if he is, it won't be long before it all comes crashing down by itself.


And holy shit, Sarkozy is short. You don't really realize it until he's standing next to tall people.
 
I didnt think you wanted these nations to have nukes, but dont go around saying "why does everyone worry", when its pretty obvious why everyone worries about it, these nations might not use them, but they could sell the technology they have to god knows who. And thats more of a problem.

And if north korea is being run by the generals,instead of Kim Jong il, even more reason to try to stop them having working nukes. But most things regarding the current leadership situation of north korea are pure speculation.

Also, the only way anything gets done in politics, is to make a huge issue about it and be noisy as hell, and make it seem even worse than it is.


On topic: The system sounds rather intresting.
 
Russia is probably more likely to sell rogue nukes than Iran. Why would Iran even support terrorists? Or North Korea for that matter? These countries are typically xenophobic and self-serving. There's no "axis of evil" as many would like to simplify. They probably hate each other equally, if not more, than the US does.

Selling your nukes to the highest bidder can come back and bite you in the ass just as well as help you against your political enemies. Don't give me the classic "they could sell it to terrorists, lol" argument. Like the reasons given for the invasion of Iraq, it just doesn't hold up.

Yes, the leadership of N.Korea is obviously speculation, at least for us, but so is discussion about nuclear weapons. Uranium enrichment facilities aren't necesarily to produce weapon-grade fissible material; I'm guessing the uranium Iran has access to isn't exactly top-notch. When they start building silos, I'll consider it.

There's a general, and partially ungrounded fear of nuclear weapons. Again, I'm not saying we shouldn't worry, I'm saying maybe we should worry more about our own politicans' intentions than a tiny nation playing around with a little missile.
 
North Korea already has a pretty good blackmail card considering that they can lay waste to Seoul with long range artillery in the opening hours if a conflict broke out.

Nukes seem redundant as the threat of large numbers of dead South Korean civilians is enough to get at least the US and South Korea to play ball with them.

As for them being close to collapsing internally..well that has been a talking point for at least 15 years now.

I think their continued pursuit of nuclear weapons is just a fund raising drive.

They start developing nukes and the international community falls all over itself offering aid so they stop developing them,which helps prop up the goverment and helps to keep paying for their nuke program.Yet if aid is ever stopped no one knows how they will react(invasion of the south) so aid is continued..which they then pour into their army and nuke program which they use to blackmail other countries into continuing aid because no one knows how they would react...

It is a vicious circle.
 
Why would anyone believe in something as idiotic as an Axis of Evil ?
But its not generally wise to assume that they hate each other as much as they hate west. And i severy doubt they would sell it to terrorists, i would be more concerned them selling the knowledge to other nations if they think they can benefit from it.

I also have to agree on the guess
that the fissile material iran and north korea have isnt that high quality, when compared to what the chinese or americans use(d)

Well as for politicians, first rule is to not to trust what politicians say.
Second rule is not to trust most politicians to make intelligent decisions.
Third rule is to remember that you cant expect politicians and parties not to put the intrests of funders over yours.
Keeping that in mind, i am not too worried about our politicians.
They are quite uneffective bunch, and i severy doubt we have to worry about them going all 1984 on our asses.

Edit:Being able to lay waste to tokio with a nuke can improve the blackmail.
 
Who's really making all the decisions?


A North Korean invasion of the south would result in massive military retaliation from NATO. It would be utter suicide, even if they do some damage. Their military technology is at least 20 years behind, and they barely have enough food or equipment for a proper army. Why does everyone always assume there's such a thing as a "rogue" nation? I really don't think they're that stupid. There's always someone very intelligent at the top.
 
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