My Brotherhood of Steel pics

Even to risk sounding like Alec...those suck.

I mean hell people! Look at what there is, and see if you are up to that!

You should make something new on the same level of quality, but when you make something that is already done (by millions) you should make it far better.
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They're not very good, no, but hardly horrible.

I don't see the relation to Fallout, though.

To W40K, I can see that, but Fallout? Nah.
 
No need to be polite here. Your biro drawings suck. They suck the juice out of my eye sockets. It is not only a fucking disgrace to draw something with a biro, it is also a fucking disgrace to fold a drawing in two. In your case, however, I am willing to forgive you for folding them in two. In fact, I would like to encourage you to fold them into four or five or six and toss them in a garbage can while you're at it. We were just experiencing a period of awesome fan art and here you come, completely screwing it up. Screwing up the fan art section. And with what? With friggin' biro drawings of friggin' robots. Well, thank you very much. Thank you very much for nothing. Now run to the store, buy yourself a decent pencil, a decent brush or pen, a book on perspective and anatomy, a gallon of Chinese ink and some talent and try again.

Next! :twisted:
 
Lich said:
I think you still dont get it that Fallout and W40K system is almost the same (...)
In both games you wear power armours and fight with big green enemies.
 
alec, you are pathetic.
those pics took me 15 minutes, i made them in a bus and i can bet that you can`t even draw a dot in hour. what`s up with this criticism, i saw thousands pictures, drawings and stuff on this forum and allways you were complaining. you are like a little girl..
about folding, i don`t give a fuck about it. it`s better to fold and put it in a notebook than keep it in a hand when it rains. i don`t like it that they are folded but i didn`t have a choice. so buzz off.
 
Hmmm, keep this thread to artistic criticism.

It already walks the fine line between talking about someone's drawings and just flaming someone, and walks the line wrongly I might add. One more off-colour post is the Vats.
 
ptrk said:
alec, you are pathetic.
those pics took me 15 minutes, i made them in a bus and i can bet that you can`t even draw a dot in hour.* what`s up with this criticism, i saw thousands pictures, drawings and stuff on this forum and allways you were complaining. you are like a little girl..
about folding, i don`t give a fuck about it. it`s better to fold and put it in a notebook than keep it in a hand when it rains. i don`t like it that they are folded but i didn`t have a choice. so buzz off.
Dude, chill. It's just Alec. He always acts that way. You see, Alec is a heartless, cynical misantrope. "They suck the juice out of my eye sockets" is probably the kindest thing he has ever said to anyone on this board. In fact, that degree of kindness to a newbie is so untypical for him that I wonder if there is something wrong with him. Perhaps he got laid on the Valentine's Day and these are the aftereffects. Who knows.

* Alec makes his living drawing comics for the Belgian government. Kind of sad, really. Good money, though.
 
Ratty said:
ptrk said:
alec, you are pathetic.
those pics took me 15 minutes, i made them in a bus and i can bet that you can`t even draw a dot in hour.* what`s up with this criticism, i saw thousands pictures, drawings and stuff on this forum and allways you were complaining. you are like a little girl..
about folding, i don`t give a fuck about it. it`s better to fold and put it in a notebook than keep it in a hand when it rains. i don`t like it that they are folded but i didn`t have a choice. so buzz off.
Dude, chill. It's just Alec. He always acts that way. You see, Alec is a heartless, cynical misantrope. "They suck the juice out of my eye sockets" is probably the kindest thing he has ever said to anyone on this board. In fact, that degree of kindness to a newbie is so untypical for him that I wonder if there is something wrong with him. Perhaps he got laid on the Valentine's Day and these are the aftereffects. Who knows.

* Alec makes his living drawing comics for the Belgian government. Kind of sad, really. Good money, though.

Correction: I work as a journalist for the Federal Justice Department of Belgium. That means I write texts concerning justice and change management. It pays handsomely, I might add. Plus: my elite illustration skills have not gone unnoticed there, which means that since the first of January I am also the house illustrator for the Justice Department, which adds a little bonus to my pay check. I do indeed draw a two weekly strip for the newsletter of the Federal Justice Department.
I have worked a full year as a cartoonist for several magazines, but saw no chance at keeping that up, what with the full time job and all. I received approximately 100 euros per cartoon. During a month that soon added up to an additional 500 euros. I miss that money now, but I used to miss the free time which is more dear to me than money.
Being kind of tired of writing fiction and poetry and having written a boring second novel, my publisher has requested me to completely rework my newest work and make it into a graphic novel, something I wanted to do for a long time now. In fact I'm so tired of words, words, words that it'll be a wordless graphic novel save for the title which is still 'Static'.
And I can draw more than a dot in one hour, ptrk. In fact, I manage to completely pencil and ink 1 A3 page consisting of six panels in roughly two hours. And that's finished art work, with less flaws than God's creation.
Unfortunately for all of you, I do not draw anything Fallout related, hence I don't post my stuff in here.
And when I see something really good, I say so. When it sucks, I say so too.
 
Well they are good if you seriously took only 15 minutes, but I doubt that...

Why don't you try actually creating some artwork with just a pencil, black and white pics??
 
Yeah, and post your work, alec, you wishy-washy bastard.

As I said, it's totally not Fallout related. I do remember posting some stuff here before, though. Some Bush/Kerry cartoon I once did. Anyway, here's some stuff, mostly from my sketchbooks:

This first one is a selfportrait, done with brush and washed ink:

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This is a cartoon I did last year for an article about war veterans getting some sort of new discount:

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This is a drawing I did for someone's Valentine. It's a reference to The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, one of her favourite books. She likes goldfish and sunflowers:

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Since I'm working on that graphic novel most of the pages in my sketchbook look like this now. The graphic novel is about badass kids, really:

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I'll add just this one, because I just did it. Another sketch, you can still see the pencil marks, trying to figure out which colour I'm going to use in the book. I'm planning on using only one colour, and violet looks nice enough to me:

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Now that's style for ya! And yes: with the exception of the selfportrait and the cartoon, all of these sketches/drawings didn't take me more than 15-30 minutes. I am teh master! :D
 
Le woute. The graphic novel's style kind of reminds me of Fred Peeters' work.

Post more shitzors.
 
Correction: I work as a journalist for the Federal Justice Department of Belgium. That means I write texts concerning justice and change management. It pays handsomely, I might add. Plus: my elite illustration skills have not gone unnoticed there, which means that since the first of January I am also the house illustrator for the Justice Department, which adds a little bonus to my pay check. I do indeed draw a two weekly strip for the newsletter of the Federal Justice Department.
I have worked a full year as a cartoonist for several magazines, but saw no chance at keeping that up, what with the full time job and all. I received approximately 100 euros per cartoon. During a month that soon added up to an additional 500 euros. I miss that money now, but I used to miss the free time which is more dear to me than money.
Being kind of tired of writing fiction and poetry and having written a boring second novel, my publisher has requested me to completely rework my newest work and make it into a graphic novel, something I wanted to do for a long time now. In fact I'm so tired of words, words, words that it'll be a wordless graphic novel save for the title which is still 'Static'.
And I can draw more than a dot in one hour, ptrk. In fact, I manage to completely pencil and ink 1 A3 page consisting of six panels in roughly two hours. And that's finished art work, with less flaws than God's creation.
Unfortunately for all of you, I do not draw anything Fallout related, hence I don't post my stuff in here.
And when I see something really good, I say so. When it sucks, I say so too.

if you would say that in this way i wouldn`t mind. but why you don`t like those? what is bad in them? give me a normal answer, ok? when im drawing something i`m doing it for fun not as a work so they took me 15 minutes and i made them because i like W40k and i was inspired by it in that time, so be more polite and tell me whats wrong. if you are so good than give me a tip and i will think about using it, man.
 
ptrk said:
if you would say that in this way i wouldn`t mind. but why you don`t like those? what is bad in them? give me a normal answer, ok? when im drawing something i`m doing it for fun not as a work so they took me 15 minutes and i made them because i like W40k and i was inspired by it in that time, so be more polite and tell me whats wrong. if you are so good than give me a tip and i will think about using it, man.

Duder, you really shouldn't care so much about what I'm saying. As Ratty pointed out already: I'm a heartless, cynical misanthrope. I get pleasure from hurting people.
Nevertheless, there is a good side to me too. A side that is willing to help and give advice when such is needed.
Now, what is so terrible wrong with your pictures?
1 Proportions: there is no need to be anatomically correct in my book, anatomy is there for realists and super hero comics, but each artist should at least be able to get the proportions of his characters right. That is not the case in your drawings. Your left foots, so to speak, are smaller/bigger than your right foots and that's not a pretty sight. It never is. Respect the right proportions and your characters will look much better. Once you master this, you will be able to toy, experiment with it, meaning: you'll be able to make heads bigger without fucking up your drawing, you'll be able to make the funniest, nastiest characters and somehow the proportions will still look okay, in a funny way maybe, but they'll still work out well.
2 Crosshatching: crosshatching is a time-honoured technique of graduating light to dark by simply drawing layers of parallel, intersecting lines. It's used to give a certain degree of 3-D to a drawing. However, it's surprising to see how many artists don't handle crosshatching well, given its long history. You, ptrk, don't handle crosshatching well. You hatch to much, resulting in flat, one-dimensional drawings. It turns your drawings into black cobwebs, and black cobwebs ain't pretty. You should practice crosshatching and feathering techniques. A very good and comprehensive guide is "The Art of Comic-Book Inking" by Gary Martin. It's short but it shows one the basic techniques. Once you master these, nothing stands in your way to experiment and find your own, personal way of crosshatching/feathering.
3 Material: I know of at least one comic artist who uses a biro to draw his strips: Hardy. But Hardy uses his biro as if it were a pen nib, meaning: he uses line weights and in a rather successfull way, I might add. In your drawings each line is practically the same, making the drawing flat (again) and boring to look at. When drawing, choosing the right material is 50% of the work. Think about purchasing a decent pencil or, even better, a complete set of pencils, because some people like to draw with a 3H pencil, others like an F or a 2B or whatever. Using a pencil allows you to use an eraser and correct the mistakes you will make. And go a little further: buy a few pen nibs (I say 'a few' because it took me two years to find the pen nib that worked for me) or a decent brush (a Winsor & Newton n° 2 should do the trick, for a price that is) and some Chinese ink and ink your pencil drawings. They will become better immediately. Also: experiment with different kinds of paper. Paper = 90% of your material. Some people like smooth paper, some like paper with a certain grain.

And more importantly: keep experimenting. If you hate brushes and pen nibs and really feel at ease with a biro, you can become a master at it, you should always use the tools that work for you. These drawings tell me something else, though.

Nicer than this, no one can be.
 
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