Jogre
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

So disclaimer before I begin: I have not played Fallout Yesterday yet, I haven't had the time, and I am waiting until it's mostly complete before I try. However, my understanding of it is that it operates in the original Van Buren continuity, and tries to recreate it as faithfully as possible, rather than taking in newer influences (Example: Joshua Graham being the Hanged Man rather than the Burned Man)
So as it currently stands, Van Buren and New Vegas are two separate continuities. Yes New Vegas adapts aspects from Van Buren, but as it stands, there is no way that the adventures laid out in the design documents, and New Vegas can take place in the same continuity as there are too many contradictions.
So I figured in this thread I'd list some of the contradictions between the two, and ask people here two questions: 1. Which do you prefer? 2. If you were to merge the two continuities - make it so the events of both happened - What changes would you make to each of the games?
-Timeline doesn't corroborate - This is the major one: In Van Buren, set 2253, the NCR is already well established in the east, having outposts everywhere including Hoover Dam, but in New Vegas, the occupation of Hoover Dam by the NCR was a couple years ago, and immediately caused House to wake up and negotiate with them - By the time the NCR were well-established this far east, Legion was also a major threat (House explicitly says the threat of legion was what caused them to negotiate rather than risk losses trying to conquer Vegas)
-In Van Buren - My understanding is that the NCR back West have lost contact with the East - The NCR Congress Building was bombed, supplies stopped coming West, and Hoover Dam is maintained by General Dodge, trying his best to maintain the dam in the face of massive morale loss.
-Hoover Dam in general: In Van Buren it seems it was planned to have a town built on it's base, and in the lower levels, have "Trogs", formerly nomadic cave dwellers who moved in to the dam looking for work. Then on the very bottom level there was planned to be a secret genetic experimentation lab that was sabotaged by China to stop whatever was being produced there from getting out.
-Caesar's Legion and the Blackfoot - In Van Buren these are separate groups, Legion already exists. In New Vegas, Legion was forged out of the Blackfoot. Moreover one of the things you could do with the Blackfoot in Van Buren was teach them how to use firearms to help them conquer other tribes - which is how Caesar conquered other tribes.
-Joshua Graham as the Burned Man VS The Hanged Man
-Powder Gangers - Depending on which version we take into account, both the East, and the Mojave could be the origin of Powder Gangers.
-Hecate annexing the Vipers - Whereas in New Vegas the Vipers are their own group of Raiders
So as it currently stands, Van Buren and New Vegas are two separate continuities. Yes New Vegas adapts aspects from Van Buren, but as it stands, there is no way that the adventures laid out in the design documents, and New Vegas can take place in the same continuity as there are too many contradictions.
So I figured in this thread I'd list some of the contradictions between the two, and ask people here two questions: 1. Which do you prefer? 2. If you were to merge the two continuities - make it so the events of both happened - What changes would you make to each of the games?
-Timeline doesn't corroborate - This is the major one: In Van Buren, set 2253, the NCR is already well established in the east, having outposts everywhere including Hoover Dam, but in New Vegas, the occupation of Hoover Dam by the NCR was a couple years ago, and immediately caused House to wake up and negotiate with them - By the time the NCR were well-established this far east, Legion was also a major threat (House explicitly says the threat of legion was what caused them to negotiate rather than risk losses trying to conquer Vegas)
-In Van Buren - My understanding is that the NCR back West have lost contact with the East - The NCR Congress Building was bombed, supplies stopped coming West, and Hoover Dam is maintained by General Dodge, trying his best to maintain the dam in the face of massive morale loss.
-Hoover Dam in general: In Van Buren it seems it was planned to have a town built on it's base, and in the lower levels, have "Trogs", formerly nomadic cave dwellers who moved in to the dam looking for work. Then on the very bottom level there was planned to be a secret genetic experimentation lab that was sabotaged by China to stop whatever was being produced there from getting out.
-Caesar's Legion and the Blackfoot - In Van Buren these are separate groups, Legion already exists. In New Vegas, Legion was forged out of the Blackfoot. Moreover one of the things you could do with the Blackfoot in Van Buren was teach them how to use firearms to help them conquer other tribes - which is how Caesar conquered other tribes.
-Joshua Graham as the Burned Man VS The Hanged Man
-Powder Gangers - Depending on which version we take into account, both the East, and the Mojave could be the origin of Powder Gangers.
-Hecate annexing the Vipers - Whereas in New Vegas the Vipers are their own group of Raiders