Saint Proverbius talks on the situation

[Saint_Proverbius]

I'm by no means a newcomer to Fallout or this site, but I am also discouraged by the vitriol here.

Exactly what did I say in that post that Kharn posted was "vitriol"? All I said was that the fans won't stop because there's no organization around that controls them. From what I've seen, while they may read some of the sites in question, they're not members of them. Even if they were, there's no stick to use to make them stop. That doesn't mean Bethesda is right in provoking the community at large, either.

We see an announcement that leaves us doubting they enchance those doubts with an interview. We provoke then they provoke then we provoke back and then they do. All it does is make things worse, but only one side can really stop it - and it would be nice if there was some calming down here rather than pointy stick poking.

 

[POOPERSCOOPER]

Thats a good article but devs never respond to our good arguements, they only respond to the bad ones in which they can win.

 

[APTYP]

Weren't we supposed to breathe a sigh of relief that Fallout 3 will be made despite IPLY nearing death?

 

[keeferink]

Definitely agree. Too many times people focus only on the words instead of the meaning behind the words. They decide to be hurt by words and just react instead of thinking and absorbing everything.

It's not Bethesda's fault for what happened in the past with the FO name, but they DO have to deal with the mistrust that has developed because of the past. They are now in the role of servicing their customers and they can't just dismiss the fears of the overall FO community.

 

[Role-Player]

Weren't we supposed to breathe a sigh of relief that Fallout 3 will be made despite IPLY nearing death?

For that, we'd first have to ask ourselves if we really wanted a Fallout 3 at all, if it was actually necessary.

 

[Claw]

First, let's hope that Bethesda makes a game.

Nah, I don't give a damn if they make "a game"

I am not a Star Wars fan in the SLIGHTEST, but I found Bioware's Knights game to be very good in an action RPG kind of way.

The point being what? I am not a Tom Clancy fan yet Splinter Cell was am amazing game. Well? What does that prove?
If I wasn't a fan of Fallout I wouldn't be concerned, but that wouldn't stop me from enjoying the game if it's good.
Fans have expectations. The rest only cares about the final product.
I'm sorry what were you trying to say?

Bethesda has recently been very good with technology, but very weak with story and design.

Tremendously encouraging.

I don't know about any of you, but if they came out with a Fallout3 "mod" that was based entirely upon Fallout1 graphics and technology, I wouldn't buy it.

Depends on what they offer to make it worth the money, eh? I'd wait for some reviews to judge the quality of story, dialogue etc.
In basic terms, I wouldn't mind a "Fallout3" mod. All I'd expect is it to run on my Win2k machine without the annoying glitches Fallout does display.

I would appreciate if you shut up. I have no idea who you are yet you're annoyingly pushy with your "let's calm down, dudes" comments. You're a noob, dude, watch your step, it's not your place to tell others how to behave.

That was pretty harsh. Ché seemed to be on "our" side whatever that actually means. I guess I was lucky you didn't respond to my first post..

 

[APTYP]

Most definitely. I'm sick of FO3 discussions. Maybe it's time someone kills FO3 Suggestions board as well...

 

[SumsoluS]

if the next fallout game is nothing like the first 2, it ll be the final nail in the coffin for me and i wont bother staying up to date here, itll be too painful...a screenshot will probably be all i need :p

 

[APTYP]

"It's too early to say if the game will have screenshots"

 

[SumsoluS]

damn! will probably end up having to wait 2+ years and they cover it all up until release with no demo.

 

[Quinn]

I'm by no means a newcomer to Fallout or this site, but I am also discouraged by the vitriol here.

Exactly what did I say in that post that Kharn posted was "vitriol"?

Sorry, I didn't mean your post in particular, but more the incessant snide, defeatist, and dismissive remarks attached to almost any story posted here these days. NMA wasn't always so cynical.

 

[Briosafreak]

Definitely agree. Too many times people focus only on the words instead of the meaning behind the words. They decide to be hurt by words and just react instead of thinking and absorbing everything.

It's not Bethesda's fault for what happened in the past with the FO name, but they DO have to deal with the mistrust that has developed because of the past. They are now in the role of servicing their customers and they can't just dismiss the fears of the overall FO community.

I`m enjoying the fact that there are still good posts beeing made like this one, or the "It's too early to say if the game will have screenshots" one

 

[Macaco]

Well, i wish i had a dollar for every thread that started as comments about some vague press release and then turned to heated arguments over what makes Fallout Fallout or something generical like that, id have like 5 bucks

 

[ratburger]

Simply bitching and griping about Morrowind might result in Bethesda completely ignoring the hardcore fans. If we really want to do something productive that will help ensure Fallout 3 will be an enjoyable game, we should try to get Bethesda to hire someone from the original Fallout 1 or 2 development teams who is intimately familiar with the setting. Bethesda has said it's just beginning to form its dev team for Fallout 3, so now is a good opportunity to act.

 

[God is Dog backwards]

If the game is first person, and real time or hybrid, they've ignored the fans anyway - and the (admittedly small) amount of evidence we have points this way. So what's left to do is to make as much noise as possible and make it as hard as possible for them to get away with raping the license.

 

[Stevie D]

Thats a good article but devs never respond to our good arguements, they only respond to the bad ones in which they can win.

Cobblers. J. E. Sawyer did a great job of responding to flame and reason alike on the Iplay forums when there was life in the VB project.

 

[Macaco]

and the (admittedly small) amount of evidence we have points this way.

see, that's the problem, we have too little to base ourselves on to go starting a damn flaming campaign againt the guys who are handling our game.

 

[Michael]

In hindsight, Bethesda probably shouldn't have announced. We can say that maybe, just maybe Interplay forced them to announce. That's fine and dandy. It's possible given that Interplay needed something good to show it's shareholders. However, Pete Hines did give those interviews to people, as did Todd Howard. Those are clearly the fault of Bethesda. Interplay can't force them to give interviews.

I think one of the best examples of a similar situation is with InXile picking up both the Bard's Tale and the Wasteland licenses. Brian Fargo picked them up, announced them, made a few statements and then left the limelight and hasn't said a word since. There was the potential for controversy there considering that both Bard's Tale and Wasteland have their own fanbases and Wasteland is an ancestor of Fallout.

 

[Roshambo]

Sorry, I didn't mean your post in particular, but more the incessant snide, defeatist, and dismissive remarks attached to almost any story posted here these days. NMA wasn't always so cynical.

You're right. I think it started with...let me try to remember, it's getting kind of hard.

Oh, right.

Fallout Tactics.