Sin City - Reviews

KQX

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The rain was pouring hard as I left the theatre; the warm sun that shined a couple of hours ago was long gone. I didn’t feel just how bad the weather was until I realized I forgot where I parked my car in this maze of a parking lot. After a bit of searching I get use to the cold and wet darkness that tightly gripped me. “The perfect night”, I thought. The car was nearby, waiting for the drive home. I start the car, roll down my window, and turn the radio down…all the way down. Nothing should spoil this night…this perfect moment…the drive home after seeing the movie Sin City.

Ok, don’t laugh too much at my intro there, I know I aint no Frank Miller. But I honestly did feel like I was in the movie/book when I left the theatre. The rainy night was incredibly ideal. And speaking of “ideal”….wow….just wow…what a great movie. I honestly don’t remember the last time I saw a movie that hit me so well. At first I thought that it might have been just because I associated it too much with the greatness of the comic books, but my cousin, with whom I seen the movie, never even heard of the story and he loved it just as much. But overall, I think the movie was really made for the readers to fully enjoy. I doubt that any fan of Sin City would be at all disappointed.

What’s there to say specifically? I feel as though we already said a lot in the other thread, in our anticipation of the movie. We expected the movie to follow the books very closely and it does. In fact, it’s almost a frame-by-frame, perfect replication of the artwork. If nothing else, this movie goes visually where no other movie has gone before, and does so with incredible success and beauty. Of course, there were some little scenes that were cut out, but for the most part I think they were good choices (I’ll mention the bad choices later). We also mentioned how a lot of the narration in the trailers seemed exactly like we imagined it in our heads when we read the books. Another bull’s-eye! Great tone and feel to the dialogs and narrations (hehe, don’t you think that Marv, Manute, and Senator Roark all sounded the same). We were a little worried about Jessica Alba, but I think she pulled through just fine as Nancy.

Damn it, there are so many other great things I need to mention, but I would like to also mention my (very small) objections.

Ok, so the intro to the movie was brilliant. They chose one of the best short stories form “Booze, Broads, and Bullets”. Then the three big stories kind of mix up for the remainder of the movie. I didn’t expect this, but it worked out well. But I have to admit I was getting a little worried during Marv’s story. I really feel like it was too rushed. It kept jumping from one action scene to the next without taking a breath. Yes I know that that’s how the book also goes, but I didn’t want the movie to be all violence and none of the great dialogues and film noir tones. Maybe they could have mixed the stories up so that The Long Hard Goodbye spans out longer and mixes more with the other stories. But “That yellow Bastard”, and “The Big Fat Kill” were so perfectly balanced that by the end of the movie, I had a very positive outlook on Marv’s story too. I’ll see how I feel the second time I see it.

I read some people’s criticisms that the stories are too unrealistic. This obviously goes as more of a critique of the comic books. They say that the heroes get away from death too easily, while the villains die almost instantly. Now this is very true, and it is just further amplified by the movie. Marv gets smashed in the head, shot, and falls from big heights so many times it just seems too ridiculous. Not to mention just how hard he gets hit by Wendy’s car…twice (3 times maybe?). So yeah for a while I also thought the movie should have made it more realistic. But now, I’m not so sure. Why should movies be a 100% realistic? That can really take a lot of fun out it. I’m sure that we wouldn’t get the same feeling about Marv if he wasn’t such a crazy survivor.

As I mentioned before, the movie stays very close to the story line in the books. There were some scenes that I really didn’t expect to be shown, like “I take his weapon away…both of them.” Hehe, someone even mentioned in the other thread that that would probably have to be cut. There was a decent amount of nudity also, another thing we doubted. But I was also slightly disappointed in some cutting choices. First of all, the scene when Marv goes to pick up his gun at his mother’s house. I felt that Marv’s story needed a slower pace at times. This scene would have nicely balanced with all the violence soon to come. But then again, maybe we needed all of Marv’s aggression to pump us up for the rest of the movie. I also wanted to see that scene when Hartigan imagines he has “the strength of Hercules.” It really didn’t seem like something that should have been cut, and I always liked that scene in the story.

But overall, just incredible. We should be so glad we even had a chance to see this movie made, and I know I’m glad that I read all the books beforehand. So, guess what movie I’ll be seeing again this weekend.
 
From the opening musical score, to the closing lines in the elevator, this movie delivers what I find to be the greatest stylistic masterpiece I have ever seen. Any move I thought was good before has been blown away in my mind.

I have never read the comics, so I think I can offer a viewpoint from just the moviegoer who has had no preconceptions going in save for what the previews told me.

I did get the feeling that Marv's story was a little rushed right at that shot of him leaping from a roof-top, but the whole movie, to me, seemed to be geared at that pace (I got the same feeling of haste in the Big Fat Kill) and it made me think that maybe the story was being piled on me too fast, the truth of it is that it served a greater purpose in the style and helped a lot with the feeling of the story. Afterward, I realized that it was the perfect pace.

What makes this movie so great is the story. I don't want to say that the violence was an afterthought, because it was certainly not, and was well done, it's seems that everything in this movie was built around the story. The violence served the story. The style and visuals served the story. The nudity served the story. Every shot, line, and bullet hole served the story. The stories themselves almost seem to jump around too much, what with there being three+ of them, but the fact that they all tie in with each other makes this a good feature of the film.

The style is amazing. Color is used so well in this film that it just lift the style to heights that I never imagined a movie could get. Black and white silhouettes are used exactly when they are needed, and when they are used during a gore scene, it says to me "The gore is only here to serve the story. You know what's happening, you don't need to see the detail of it because it would distract from the rest of the movie". I also love how different features of all sorts of time periods are incorporated into the movie to make it seem as if this story is truly timeless. Of course the movie is mostly set in the 1930's-1950's, but you can see elements from all over, such as while most of the cars are from the noir era, at least one is from 2000+ (The new Mercedes), and you can see cell phones that range from models made in the last two years to ones that look like they were taken from 1993 and 1987. (After the movie, it made me want to drive a classic car from the 50’s) The story takes so much precedence that even the setting is made sure not to distract from it.

About the unrealism, I think that it's part of the style that the main character will not die until it is the final bullet. Marv is supposed to be able to be hit by a car 3 times and get flipped in the air and have no broken legs afterward, as it is part of the style to have the "heros" make it until the last scene. If anything, it adds to the movie.

Too often does Hollywood go for action and leave the script and story as a huge afterthought. A big reason that I like this movie so much is because it's actually done right, and if it doesn't serve the story, it wasn't included in Sin City. This is the best movie that I have ever seen, and I predict that it will be several years before I am able to not be disappointed by any future movie that I see. Movies are at the roots, stories and the more a movie focuses on it, generally, the better the movie is. That's what makes Sin City so great.
 
calculon00 said:
I have never read the comics, so I think I can offer a viewpoint from just the moviegoer who has had no preconceptions going in save for what the previews told me..

You really should. They're excellent. Look on EBay or something and find the collected graphic novels.

I haven't seen the movie yet, but plan on doing so sometime this weekend.
 
satanisgreat9 said:
You really should. They're excellent. Look on EBay or something and find the collected graphic novels

I don't think he has to look too hard. The comic book stores around my town have dedicated a large amount of their space for Sin City books and posters....since January! Since Calcy here doesn't live in some white trash town with trailer population of 30, i think his comic book stores should be well equipped by now.
 
This movie doesn't premiere in Sweden until July, you bastards.

Does that justify file sharing?
 
I am looking forward to this.

But next time try to keep these posts on the earlier thread. No reason to start a new one.

That said, continue.
 
welsh said:
But next time try to keep these posts on the earlier thread. No reason to start a new one.

Welsh, i had this in mind way before i started a new thread. I asked for permission well in advance to separate our movie opinions from speculations. No admin/mod objected and Brady agreed with me:

Bradylama said:
Generally its a better idea to begin discussion on the actual product in a new thread. Discussions leading up to the release generally concern the making of the movie, and can get particularly large if its based on pre-existing subject matter.

But if this is a problem, i have no objection to a mod merging the threads, even though i think its unnecessary.
 
KQX said:
welsh said:
But next time try to keep these posts on the earlier thread. No reason to start a new one.

Welsh, i had this in mind way before i started a new thread. I asked for permission well in advance to separate our movie opinions from speculations. No admin/mod objected and Brady agreed with me:

Not exactly well in advance.

The first time I heard of you starting a new thread was this morning, and on your posts in the other thread, it was mentioned only this morning. Not sure who you might have contacted otherwise, and it was a Friday night so some of us might be going out, having dinner with girlfriends, seeing a movie or getting laid. So perhaps it had been better to wait a bit.

Bradylama said:
Generally its a better idea to begin discussion on the actual product in a new thread. Discussions leading up to the release generally concern the making of the movie, and can get particularly large if its based on pre-existing subject matter.

But if this is a problem, i have no objection to a mod merging the threads, even though i think its unnecessary.[/quote]

As mentioned, Bradylama is not a moderator or an administrator but frequent poster with some rather idealistic fantasies about a libertarian america. You had no reason to follow his advice.

Next time, send me a pm if you have any questions. I probably would have said no as we had been monitoring the progress in this thread already and had already begun to print reviews. This way, all the discussion on this topic owuld have been concentrated in one place instead of having people look in to w different spots. It's harder to keep two threads active than one thread.

This is not a big deal though. Merging, once a new thread has started, is difficult.

Again, no biggie. If you wish to discuss this with me, send me a pm.
 
KQX said:
I don't think he has to look too hard. The comic book stores around my town have dedicated a large amount of their space for Sin City books and posters....since January! Since Calcy here doesn't live in some white trash town with trailer population of 30, i think his comic book stores should be well equipped by now.

It's hard to even find a comic book store around where I live (and I don't live in a white trash town either). The reason I mentioned EBay or something similar is because when I was into collecting comics, I found some really good deals there. I got the first five Hellblazer's for like five bucks.

If you look for the Sin City books in a retail store, you'll probably be paying retail price. If you buy it from some random guy (especially the collected novels), you'll most likely get it for alot cheaper.
 
The movie was everything I expected. Honestly the only part I didn't like was Michael Madsen doing Hartigan's partner -- the dialogue seemed kinda forced on his part, which is kinda sad because I thought he did a terrific job in Kill Bill. The story ties together in a very Pulp Fiction style, which I'm assuming is why they'd bring in Quentin for a guest directing spot.

Overall, I'd say this movie surpasses both Kill Bill 1 and Once Upon a Time in Mexico.
 
Whoops. My mistake. Thanks for pointing it out in pm KQX. Many apologies.

I hope to see the film tonight. Just ordered the frist three stories for my library- though I doubt they will buy.
 
It's interesting as usual to go to Rotten Tomatoes and dive into the bad reviews. One recurring theme among negative reviewers seems to be that the movie is bad precisely because it is true to the source material. You who liked the movie will have to either question your humanity or wish Bozar death upon this woman.
 
As mentioned, Bradylama is not a moderator or an administrator but frequent poster with some rather idealistic fantasies about a libertarian america. You had no reason to follow his advice.

I like how you try and discredit my opinions based on my political ideals. You're a credit to the force.

That said, I didn't tell him to make a new thread directly. I merely suggested that a new thread might be a good idea, since the size of the pre-existing discussion may have been overwhelming for somebody who had just seen the movie.


I enjoyed the movie thoroughly, though my posterior was screaming throughout the second half. I did have a few issues with the movie, surprisingly enough because it mirrored the comics so accurately. In some places, it didn't pace itself like a movie, such as when Marv was running from the cops. It seemed broken and disjointed.

What the film suffered the most from, in my opinion, however, was the exclusion of A Dame to Kill For. It ties in directly to the Big Fat Kill, and gives the backstory and motivations for Dwight and Manute (Michael Clark Duncan).

I went to see the movie with a friend and a lady friend of his, and she hated it. She said the plot made no sense and that it was degrading to women. I didn't think people even used the phrase "Degrading to Women" anymore.

And really, they honestly couldn't find anybody more ethnic-looking to play Miho?

Also, reviewers are always full of shit. I'm amazed by that woman's inability to recognize context. Like "I'll cash her check in the morning" couldn't possibly be because he was hired to kill her, right? Of course not, it was for the Hell of it.
 
Per said:
You who liked the movie will have to either question your humanity or wish Bozar death upon this woman.

Haha, I love this kind of stuff. I always wonder if it's just a role they put on to cause "controversy" and gossip and sell magazines or if it's a true expression of the writer's outlook. I always lean towards the former, especially when it's out of LA, but it's funny either way.
 
I just saw it. Pretty good, not much to add from what other people have already posted.

It's a direct adaptation of the graphic novels. This is one of those cases where "the book was better than the movie".

Not that it's a bad movie; it's good. It's just that they try to cram so much story into two hours (or whatever it was) that alot of it seems rushed. The action sequences and the dialouge both seem cut short and sped up. I don't know about you guys, but I always imagined Marv as a kind of lumbering hulk, not a speed punching, fluid fighter.

But if you've never read the comics, you probably wouldn't have minor gripes like this.
 
I believe Stephen Hunter (who writes a mediocre book, but has a great turn of phrase), sums my feelings about the movie best "Sin City" is a dessert from hell, an intense reduction of certain urban pop culture traditions into a creme brulee of brilliant artificiality."

Calculon, it sounds like you have been over-stimulated. Exactly how movies have you seen, and of what caliber (seen Citizen Kane, Chinatown, any of the Hitchcock films, or Bridge on the River Kwai)? Saying it's the best movie you have ever seen can be extremely sweeping or rather narrow.

Really, I think to place the movie at any specific time period would be a mistake. It's not during any one time, let me quote a bit more of Stephen Hunter (forgive me, but I do like how he writes, and rather do agree his review for this movie): "Sin City is a kind of film noir Oz, looted and happily liberated from the time-space continium. Think of it as the place where Mickey Spillane's id went to die."
 
Not to sound like to much of a simpleton but I thought Citizen Kane sucked ass. It was boring and the main character came across as nothing but an arrogant shithead. In addition, the movie never really seemed to go anywhere.

While I think best movie ever might be an overstatement here, the movie was still great. I liked the artsy feel of the movie (that seemed a lot more coordinated than the snoozefest that was Hero) and it kept luring the watcher in with every scene. It seemed almost a collection of short stories that explored a setting more than a set coherent story but I guess that would be a cause of its Graphic Novel roots (not a complaint, just a comment). I was curious if anyone could explain Josh Hartnetts role to me (he only has the scenes at the beginning and the end). If it's too much of a spoiler for this thread, can you pm an explanation of his character's role for me?

And a lot of the setting reminded my dad and I of the old Dick Tracy stuff... no real reason to bring it up but the talk of the time period got me thinking about it :).

Also, what part did Quentin Terentino direct? My guess was when the viewer is introduced to Mijo inside the city as it had his classic over the top blood and love of swords. Or was he an active contributor throughout the movie? If it's brought up in the thread, sorry, I'll have to read through it :).
 
id have to agree with the crowd here. though not the best film ive ever seen, it ranks up there. ive seen a few hitchcocks, and chinatown, but havent managed to see citizen kane yet. iunno how you wanted to relate them to sin city, but its pretty late here and im probably missing something obvious.

ive never read the comics, and had never heard of the comics until i saw the previews for the movie. after i saw it today, though i did a google image search and found some scans of pages, and the movie scenes that correspond to them really do look almost identical, which to me is really cool.

i think this will end up being a movie that guys like and girls hate, which i love the idea of.

i dont think ive said anything groundbreaking here, but theres my two cents.
 
It wasn't as good as the first Manchurian Candidate, but that's simply because Sin City lacks Frank Sinatra kicking the piss out of a Korean guy with mad Jujitsu skills... I'm sorry, but it's damn near impossible to get cooler than that.

As for Dick Tracy, I live about twenty minutes from the creator's home. And Madonna should be killed.
 
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