Slavery Question.

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Quagmire69

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Whats the Legality of it in Vegas and the NCR? I thought it would be illigal given the NCR's stance against it in Fallout 2 but in the bye bye love quest it seems the Omertas practice it without fear. You'd think you could have just taken the girls to an NCR MP. The fact the House picked out the Slitherkin makes me think he wanted an underground slave trade to go on in Vegas.
 
Vegas isn't in NCR territory? The NCR officially 'ends' at Mojave Outpost. Or maybe they don't enforce their laws on people who aren't their citizens.
 
Or maybe they don't enforce their laws on people who aren't their citizens.
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I don't have anything beyond speculation to back this up but that what I picked on on in both Vegas and in Fallout 2. I wonder If they would have made more effort to get Boones wife if she had been from the NCR, but then again they had no problem sacrificing Cass. The NCR strikes me as a country thats stretched so thin they don't have the ability to make good on threats anymore, and have to rely on deplomacy. House strikes me as a Machiavilian sort of guy who has little problem abandoning his freedom and indivuality talk when he needs to get something done.
 
Wintermind said:
The NCR officially 'ends' at Mojave Outpost.
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Pretty much. NCR has no authority in Vegas, and The Strip is House's backyard. They are guests there, at best.
 
Hell, even in Fallout 2 the NCR doesn't actually do anything about the slavers parked right outside the NCR. The Rangers have you do it, because they oppose slavery. And they were, at the time, at best, a paramilitary organization that hated slavers.
 
Yes, the NCR hasn't managed to bring Vegas under its jurisdiction yet. Give me a few more hours and i'll be standing on the legates neck and sticking a flag in the sand. Behind me lay the corpses of House, the Fiends, the Khans and all who oppose my glorious civilisation! !
 
I don't think Joana is officially a slave, she seems more like an exploited and abused drug addict than anything. Cachino is possessive of her because he's asshole, not because she's a slave.

People have weird ideas about House, just because he doesn't care about something going on that seems unimportant to him, doesn't mean he endorses it. He's not trying to be the wasteland police (and failing) like NCR.
 
I don't think Joana is officially a slave
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Dazzle makes a comment about being sold to the Omertas. My belief is that House has a simalar neglectfull attitude towards slavery as the Capital Wasteland Brotherhood has toward Paradise Falls, and the NCR does not have the resources with the war against the Legion.
 
Quagmire69 said:
Whats the Legality of it in Vegas and the NCR? I thought it would be illigal given the NCR's stance against it in Fallout 2 but in the bye bye love quest it seems the Omertas practice it without fear. You'd think you could have just taken the girls to an NCR MP. The fact the House picked out the Slitherkin makes me think he wanted an underground slave trade to go on in Vegas.
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Go to the strip. There you will find a building full with NCR citizens and it is called "embassy".

That should actually explain everything. Without the reason to "bash" you. But it seems like you did not pay much attention during your Vegas playthrough. I mean since when do you build an embassy in your own territory ?

The NRC has actually on the Strip and the surrounding area no other legal rights then those House grants them. That is at least as long the Legion is around and thus House needs the NCR just as much as the NCR House.
 
I think that Joana isn't a slave but she got addicted to med-x the omertas gave her and now she needs to pay them back for the chems, so it makes her an slave because thats the only way she can make money to pay for the chems.
 
Go to the strip. There you will find a building full with NCR citizens and it is called "embassy".

That should actually explain everything. Without the reason to "bash" you. But it seems like you did not pay much attention during your Vegas playthrough. I mean since when do you build an embassy in your own territory ?

The NRC has actually on the Strip and the surrounding area no other legal rights then those House grants them. That is at least as long the Legion is around and thus House needs the NCR just as much as the NCR House.
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I don't know, somehow I have the feeling that your average NCR Ranger would'nt just sit back as defensless women are dragged off to a life of slavery in front of him. Just based on playing fallout 2 these guys don't really seem to care about laws and treaties.

Maybe House doesn't feel the need to legislate morality?
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Legislating morality is like laws on abortion and pot as opposed to slavery.
 
Nah, I think you could cover slavery under morality too. Depends on the actual circumstances of the slavery.

Shit, Mass Effect 2 addressed this shit.
 
I think that Joana isn't a slave but she got addicted to med-x the omertas gave her and now she needs to pay them back for the chems, so it makes her an slave because thats the only way she can make money to pay for the chems.
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Dazzle mentions that she was BOUGHT from freeside. That pretty much makes this chattel slavery.
 
Yeah maybe she had a contract with the Garret's and the Omertas just bought her contract? just liek with the Ghoul Comedian, only it's for prostitution.
 
Quagmire69 said:
I think that Joana isn't a slave but she got addicted to med-x the omertas gave her and now she needs to pay them back for the chems, so it makes her an slave because thats the only way she can make money to pay for the chems.
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Dazzle mentions that she was BOUGHT from freeside. That pretty much makes this chattel slavery.
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Dazzle was bought before house renovated the strip so i think he cant change anything that happened in the past in regards that she was there before he took notice. House mentions when you say ceasar needs him dead that he is very much against slavery for the future.
 
And House does not know everything whats is happening on strip. He know very much but not all. For example, he did not know that Omertas were going to attack strip. So he could also not know that Omertas have slaves.
 
pall said:
And House does not know everything whats is happening on strip. He know very much but not all. For example, he did not know that Omertas were going to attack strip. So he could also not know that Omertas have slaves.
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Well not even the Omertas knew what their bosses were planning just Troike and Clanden helping them out.
 
I think House thought he would need people like the omertas who could get things done even if they were not the nicest people.
 
Doesn't House ask you to investigate what the Omerta's are up to in his quest? He definitely doesn't support slavery, just like I'm sure he doesn't support cannibalism.
 
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