V13 MMO
- Thread starter Plissken
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I think he means the deadline when development must start.
I think Fallout MMORPG would be awesome. Anybody who says it will sucks lacks one thing, imagination.
start as a vault dweller, a tribal, as this as that.
Join the brotherhood, join the enclave, hell dip yourself in some FEV and join the super mutants.
Shoot this town up, protect this town, pick pocket everyone in this town.
Wild west justice, pick the fight with the wrong person and rot under the sun until the wolves come to eat your corpse.
Loot, loot loot! dungeons will not be in short supply.
Persistent story line game mechanics!
The enclave overran the brotherhood at XYZ, the brotherhood overran the enclave at XZY, the super mutant scourge has laid waste to the town at YXZ!
Oh man, the game could so easily be the best mmorpg ever made, it just takes people with talent and vision to make. Luckily interplay can find those people, and if it they cant and Fallout online sucks hard.
well then shit, atleast its an online fallout game, I'd still play it for 15 bucks a month.
Fallout, one of the few genres I can actually identify with(yes, even the nuclear powered future).
start as a vault dweller, a tribal, as this as that.
Join the brotherhood, join the enclave, hell dip yourself in some FEV and join the super mutants.
Shoot this town up, protect this town, pick pocket everyone in this town.
Wild west justice, pick the fight with the wrong person and rot under the sun until the wolves come to eat your corpse.
Loot, loot loot! dungeons will not be in short supply.
Persistent story line game mechanics!
The enclave overran the brotherhood at XYZ, the brotherhood overran the enclave at XZY, the super mutant scourge has laid waste to the town at YXZ!
Oh man, the game could so easily be the best mmorpg ever made, it just takes people with talent and vision to make. Luckily interplay can find those people, and if it they cant and Fallout online sucks hard.
well then shit, atleast its an online fallout game, I'd still play it for 15 bucks a month.
Fallout, one of the few genres I can actually identify with(yes, even the nuclear powered future).
Fallout mmo will most likely be horrific monstrosity.
With:
Bottlecaps beggers.
Corpse campers.
12 year old kids.
Epix.
1-2 choices of endgame armour.
Chinese bottlecap farms.
4-6 hour raids.
Repetetive gameplay and quests.
So really cant say i am expecting this game much.
Mainly because i have found every MMO to be rather idiotic.
Especially WoW.
And i have imagination.
How else could i draw and write.
With:
Bottlecaps beggers.
Corpse campers.
12 year old kids.
Epix.
1-2 choices of endgame armour.
Chinese bottlecap farms.
4-6 hour raids.
Repetetive gameplay and quests.
So really cant say i am expecting this game much.
Mainly because i have found every MMO to be rather idiotic.
Especially WoW.
And i have imagination.
How else could i draw and write.
patton89 said:
Like in Fallout 1 and 2, only controlled by players? Don't see the problem here.
Go back with a group or don't go back. Or go back for revenge and get it.
Like in fallout 1 and 2, only controlled by players? Someone gets annoying: /mute
Hopefully not, Fallout's gear system doesn't really allow for magic items. I'd imagine the devs at interplay are aware of that.
As opposed to the 1 choice in Fallout 1 and 2? Room for improvement over the originals here, not really any room for failure though.
How does that have an effect on your enjoyment of a game?
If this was all there was to do I would agree that it's a problem, not everyone has time to be on some stupid "raiding schedule".
If there were other things to do, and the 4-6 hour raids managed to be fun, what would be the problem?
The crux of the biscuit in any mmo. We'll see how they do here. It's not impossible to create a game with varied gameplay though.
I'll remain hopeful about this one until I've reason to believe Anderson and Taylor have totally dropped the ball.
So, you are comparing An MMO that is in preproduction for ALLREADY looking to much like wow, and at the same time, not enough like wow.Patton89 said:
For instance, corpse campers are only in MMO's which use WOW's mechanic of dying.
Beggars are just as prevalent in the real world, so why does that bother you?
Endgame gear is exactly what it is; ENDgame gear, why is everyone so stoked on decking out their toon ASAP to only burn out on the game and quit, usually accompanied by a whiny post on some forum going "ZAMG TEH GAEM HAS NO CONTENT"
Quests will most likely be somewhat bland, but if i can complete them sporting my Sig sauer 14MM hand cannon while taking out raiders with my friends, I am all up for it.
Also, the mechanic of non-classes seems very interesting to me;
Instead of cookie-cutter classes with preset stats and skills, you can customize a character and make your own class.
Or at least, that's what they say.
Killerrabbit
First time out of the vault
As long they don't have a carebear land this game have a lot of potential.
I don't know if anyone here have ever played Ultima Online, one of the first "real" MMORPG's. Before they patched the game to shit it was a reeealy realy good game. Mainly the first 2-3 years.
You could pretty much do whatever you wanted to do, exactly as in Fallout - play good guy / neutral / evil.
The player(s) / guild(s) pretty much policed the world on their own, only bigger cities had guards that protected the innocent, outside cities it's lawless. You could kill & loot each other, steal loot from others kill etc.
If you killed 5 "innocent" players you would get murder status and players could place bounty on your head = meaning you would get other players trying to hunt you down to get the bounty (when you gave the players head to a NPC guard you would then get the bounty posted by other players)
Also it took ~24 real hours for 1 murder count to decay, and guards would attack you on sight if you tried to enter lawfull cities as a known murderer.
There where also less harsh penalties for criminals, for example if you stole from someone else and got caught for the act - you would get criminal tag, but still could stay in towns untill the tag wore off, but you are freely attackable by players who witnessed your thieving.
Also I had lots of fun making homemade traps in that game. I just dropped a trapped chest in the ground, and curios players would go try to open it and *boom* a bomb blew in their face, resulting in their death + free loot for me in the form of players corpse
The only secure items / money you could have was the things you had in the bank. Even players houses could be looted if somone stole your key.
If Fallout MMORPG would have same free loot / kill rules like good old Ultima Online had, It would be the best MMORPG to come out since they destroyed Ultima Online.
Example screenshot of Ultima Online, a lot of playeres gathered at an event:
http://www.wired.com/news/images/full/uo_f.jpg
As you can see if has the same topdown isometric view as fallout 1,2 & tactics.
In reality I guess the old Ultima Online client could be modded to a fallout online client, since there excists player run shards who have made their own maps & graphics.
Anyway if you see "3d" verisions of the ultima online client, it's an attempt to make Ultima Online 3d ish & better graphics, but the majority of the UO players on official & player run servers still go with the good old 2d client.
Cannot realy find any good screenshot since I'm posting from work with a stupid proxy that don't allow many gaming sites
edit: Here I found a good site with stories & screenshots from the game.
http://www.aschulze.net/ultima/stories9/release1.htm
I don't know if anyone here have ever played Ultima Online, one of the first "real" MMORPG's. Before they patched the game to shit it was a reeealy realy good game. Mainly the first 2-3 years.
You could pretty much do whatever you wanted to do, exactly as in Fallout - play good guy / neutral / evil.
The player(s) / guild(s) pretty much policed the world on their own, only bigger cities had guards that protected the innocent, outside cities it's lawless. You could kill & loot each other, steal loot from others kill etc.
If you killed 5 "innocent" players you would get murder status and players could place bounty on your head = meaning you would get other players trying to hunt you down to get the bounty (when you gave the players head to a NPC guard you would then get the bounty posted by other players)
Also it took ~24 real hours for 1 murder count to decay, and guards would attack you on sight if you tried to enter lawfull cities as a known murderer.
There where also less harsh penalties for criminals, for example if you stole from someone else and got caught for the act - you would get criminal tag, but still could stay in towns untill the tag wore off, but you are freely attackable by players who witnessed your thieving.
Also I had lots of fun making homemade traps in that game. I just dropped a trapped chest in the ground, and curios players would go try to open it and *boom* a bomb blew in their face, resulting in their death + free loot for me in the form of players corpse
The only secure items / money you could have was the things you had in the bank. Even players houses could be looted if somone stole your key.
If Fallout MMORPG would have same free loot / kill rules like good old Ultima Online had, It would be the best MMORPG to come out since they destroyed Ultima Online.
Example screenshot of Ultima Online, a lot of playeres gathered at an event:
http://www.wired.com/news/images/full/uo_f.jpg
As you can see if has the same topdown isometric view as fallout 1,2 & tactics.
In reality I guess the old Ultima Online client could be modded to a fallout online client, since there excists player run shards who have made their own maps & graphics.
Anyway if you see "3d" verisions of the ultima online client, it's an attempt to make Ultima Online 3d ish & better graphics, but the majority of the UO players on official & player run servers still go with the good old 2d client.
Cannot realy find any good screenshot since I'm posting from work with a stupid proxy that don't allow many gaming sites
edit: Here I found a good site with stories & screenshots from the game.
http://www.aschulze.net/ultima/stories9/release1.htm
I never played UO (or WOW for that matter)... but this is the strangest definition of patch I have ever heard.
I guess the bottom line is - if UO was patched to be more popular = more $$, you can hardly blame them. They are a private, for-profit corp after all.
Blame Capitalism!
This reads like the russian FOnline.
Slaughter Manslaught
Vault Senior Citizen
I hope we have PvP in V13, but it should have consequences, like reputation and other things. So, instead of simply being a cowardly lamer who kills people for the lulz, you should gang with some guys and make your raider band that regulary raids towns and cities. That would be AWEOMSE.
Note that all the things i listed are in WOW.
And i wrote that it will be horrible monstrosity WITH.
Might that mean that i dont like wow ?
I dislike mmos. Thats it. They are mostly repetetive , boring and uninnovative.
I have tried most of them, yet none of them could even keep me intrested for long. Even the pvp centered ones ended up becoming boring, as i found it to be rather pointless, in my own opinion.
There never is much effect or consequence in pvp. If thats different in V13, i might be interesting.
Now i admit that you can say that im being all pessimistic, but its mmo after all. How much innovation do you think they really will add ?
When it comes to MMOs, i always expect the worst. That way i cant be dissapointed at all.
And i wrote that it will be horrible monstrosity WITH.
Might that mean that i dont like wow ?
I dislike mmos. Thats it. They are mostly repetetive , boring and uninnovative.
I have tried most of them, yet none of them could even keep me intrested for long. Even the pvp centered ones ended up becoming boring, as i found it to be rather pointless, in my own opinion.
There never is much effect or consequence in pvp. If thats different in V13, i might be interesting.
Now i admit that you can say that im being all pessimistic, but its mmo after all. How much innovation do you think they really will add ?
When it comes to MMOs, i always expect the worst. That way i cant be dissapointed at all.
Oddball_E8
First time out of the vault
Patton89 said:
so basically, your main gripe with a fallout MMO is that there would be other players doing stuff?
isnt that kinda the point?
most of the stuff you list there have already been pointed out as being in the original games already... so youre mainly annoyed cos its some player doing it and not the computer...
I'd say, compare the whole thing to World of Warcraft. Now WoW is an extreme, because it is ridiculously hyped, considering that in my country (Holland) alone are more than 1 million players, meaning that more than 1/17th of all people plays this game. Yes, line up 17 people, you'll have 1 or 2 WoW players.
But say it becomes as popular. What has WoW added to the Warcraft universe (other than billions of dollars)?
Really, all it was about was showing the players the familiar places on the islands, but it had nothing to do with storyline progression. Or at least very little.
But Warcraft requires no storyline, it's always been about convenient gameplay and flashy fantasy. Fallout, on the other hand, is very story and atmosphere dependant.
So what will most likely happen is that the graphics will be atmospheric, but the storyline shallow (MMO's tend to be shallow) and it will mainly be a sight-seeing tour through a world of Fallout.
Now this is an extreme, it might be much smaller scale and far less hyped, meaning it wont be as shallow and we won't have 12 year old boys yelling in l33tsp34k, but that'll mean it won't be as popular and soon lose support, most likely.
But hey, even after this rant, what can we do but wait and see?
But say it becomes as popular. What has WoW added to the Warcraft universe (other than billions of dollars)?
Really, all it was about was showing the players the familiar places on the islands, but it had nothing to do with storyline progression. Or at least very little.
But Warcraft requires no storyline, it's always been about convenient gameplay and flashy fantasy. Fallout, on the other hand, is very story and atmosphere dependant.
So what will most likely happen is that the graphics will be atmospheric, but the storyline shallow (MMO's tend to be shallow) and it will mainly be a sight-seeing tour through a world of Fallout.
Now this is an extreme, it might be much smaller scale and far less hyped, meaning it wont be as shallow and we won't have 12 year old boys yelling in l33tsp34k, but that'll mean it won't be as popular and soon lose support, most likely.
But hey, even after this rant, what can we do but wait and see?
I do not know what will happen with the lawsuit but there is some info from the studio (Masthead) that will develop V13 project
original link (Bulgarian language)
http://forplay.bg/index.php/forplay_site/Features/Intervyu-s-Masthead-studios-3
Google translate(I've tried to correct the translation as much as I can), The V13 part:
original link (Bulgarian language)
http://forplay.bg/index.php/forplay_site/Features/Intervyu-s-Masthead-studios-3
Google translate(I've tried to correct the translation as much as I can), The V13 part:
Personally i hope it's not tied down by the MMO Model that wow and everquest made so popular, which imo is a mistake a lot of developers make. I think Fallouts universe offers the chance to create a new dynamic if you will.
For example, in WoW you need your healers and damage dealers. Its all defined and rigid. ASSUMING FOOL Has something like raids (Dunno, exploring vaults inhabited by mutants or something), i'd hope they set it up for smaller groups of players, say 5 or 10 tops.
No healers, tanks, bosses. Everyone has guns and armor, can hack and pick. Its just you have people specializing, so you'd have a team medic so to speak with high first aid skills. Techys for hacking and picking doors. Everyone has weapons though and are more than capable of solo play and killing. For gods sake none of the FO3 bullshit of being able to be a jack of all trades.
If you insisted on having a guild style system, you would have factions that kept in contact via pipboys and radio, hell, you could even go VOIP.
With the vast amount of wrecked buildings and typical size of MMO's, you could probably even take over the wreckages, setting something up similar to the Rileys Ranger base (For those who have played FO3) or the military base (FO1).
Rather than a straight bottle cap economy, you could engineer it like the first two games where obviously surviving guns, food and other items has far higher value than hard currency, so a lot of transactions involve trading items and making up the difference in caps, (FO1 and 2) rather than straight cap payments (FO3).
FOOL has potential. It's just how they go about developing it. In my opinion, one of the unique things they have the chance to do here is genuinely make the player feel like just another wastelander, trying to stay alive, rather than the normal MMO Model of "You are the hero of the land".
I am curious how they will work deaths though. Diablo hardcore style where one death and you have to restart, or something like you lose consciousness, your body is looted by your attacker and your found by a trading caravan and taken to the nearest settlement.
For example, in WoW you need your healers and damage dealers. Its all defined and rigid. ASSUMING FOOL Has something like raids (Dunno, exploring vaults inhabited by mutants or something), i'd hope they set it up for smaller groups of players, say 5 or 10 tops.
No healers, tanks, bosses. Everyone has guns and armor, can hack and pick. Its just you have people specializing, so you'd have a team medic so to speak with high first aid skills. Techys for hacking and picking doors. Everyone has weapons though and are more than capable of solo play and killing. For gods sake none of the FO3 bullshit of being able to be a jack of all trades.
If you insisted on having a guild style system, you would have factions that kept in contact via pipboys and radio, hell, you could even go VOIP.
With the vast amount of wrecked buildings and typical size of MMO's, you could probably even take over the wreckages, setting something up similar to the Rileys Ranger base (For those who have played FO3) or the military base (FO1).
Rather than a straight bottle cap economy, you could engineer it like the first two games where obviously surviving guns, food and other items has far higher value than hard currency, so a lot of transactions involve trading items and making up the difference in caps, (FO1 and 2) rather than straight cap payments (FO3).
FOOL has potential. It's just how they go about developing it. In my opinion, one of the unique things they have the chance to do here is genuinely make the player feel like just another wastelander, trying to stay alive, rather than the normal MMO Model of "You are the hero of the land".
I am curious how they will work deaths though. Diablo hardcore style where one death and you have to restart, or something like you lose consciousness, your body is looted by your attacker and your found by a trading caravan and taken to the nearest settlement.
UnidentifiedFlyingTard
Vault Fossil
probably wont happen now.
Cloudyrains
First time out of the vault
Lets hope they pull off something like Fallen Earth, which unlike most mmo's, actually has a good/mature playing audience, mainly because it is kind of hidden from WOW type audiences. I have to say, after playing it for a couple months, It is (community wise) the best mmo I have played. Sense the mmo is going to be made by interplay, We can expect it to be rather hidden/under advertised unlike mainstream mmo's, leaving only the ones who actually follow Fallout to play it. Case in point like I explained, Fallen Earth. I personally picked up Fallen Earth just to tie myself over until V13.