I need to find out how to get a specific line from an NPC. Is there some kind of visual tool that wold help me see the dialog tree and line prerequisites? I remember using something like that, but I can not find anything like that any longer. I tried my luck with FSE, but I could only get the script to open, which I am unfamiliar with, and see no way of associating it with the .msg file.
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I would like to know too. It goes mad when you try to make complicated dialogue.
FeelTheRads
Vault Senior Citizen
There's Fallout Dialogue Creator. But that's for creating dialogue. I don't think it can open scripts that were already created or deal with FO1 dialogue. And it's quite unstable. If there's something better I'd like to know as well.
Sfall Script Editor can be used to navigate dialogue trees. But not from decompiled scripts (just shows the lines in that case) and it only shows the IQ requirement as far as I can tell.
Anyway, I was just looking at some FO1 scripts (from the demo actually) and it's easy to associate the dialogue nodes with the msg file.
For example:
This shows that the message is taken from the msg file with number 411 (these should be listed in the scripts.lst file) but usually the msg file has the same name as the script.
Then 131 means the line that has the number 131 in front of it in that msg file.
Then Lex13 means this dialogue option will take you to the node named Lex13.
NPC lines start with "sayReply" while your lines start with "sayOption"
At least that's how Sfall Script Editor shows me a decompiled FO1 demo script. I don't know if it's different in the final game, didn't look at any script from that yet.
Sfall Script Editor can be used to navigate dialogue trees. But not from decompiled scripts (just shows the lines in that case) and it only shows the IQ requirement as far as I can tell.
Anyway, I was just looking at some FO1 scripts (from the demo actually) and it's easy to associate the dialogue nodes with the msg file.
For example:
Code:
sayOption(message_str(411, 131), Lex13);This shows that the message is taken from the msg file with number 411 (these should be listed in the scripts.lst file) but usually the msg file has the same name as the script.
Then 131 means the line that has the number 131 in front of it in that msg file.
Then Lex13 means this dialogue option will take you to the node named Lex13.
NPC lines start with "sayReply" while your lines start with "sayOption"
At least that's how Sfall Script Editor shows me a decompiled FO1 demo script. I don't know if it's different in the final game, didn't look at any script from that yet.
Could you please do a quick look into this script and tell if line {134} of the .msg is even used at all? I still can't make heads or tails of it
FeelTheRads
Vault Senior Citizen
Well, here's what I figured out.
It starts from here:
This takes you to branch02 in the script.
Here's the problem... branch02 first checks if local_var(1) > 1. If it is, then it goes to vree21 which continues the discussion.
If it's not then it goes to vree24 which makes her say that line you asked about (134) and this ends the conversation.
However, I can't tell for sure what the local_var(1) is. I think it's something related to her reaction towards you. So maybe you get that line if she doesn't like you.
Somebody familiar with FO1 scripts can probably tell you, I only barely started getting into this and with FO2 which has somewhat different scripts.
Edit: Yeah, pretty sure you get that line if her reaction to you is bad. And reaction is calculated based on several factors.
Interestingly, just did a search through the FO2 scripts and only a couple seem to actually check the reaction in dialogue.
It starts from here:
Code:
{121}{}{I heard something about holo-discs, how can I read them?}Here's the problem... branch02 first checks if local_var(1) > 1. If it is, then it goes to vree21 which continues the discussion.
If it's not then it goes to vree24 which makes her say that line you asked about (134) and this ends the conversation.
However, I can't tell for sure what the local_var(1) is. I think it's something related to her reaction towards you. So maybe you get that line if she doesn't like you.
Somebody familiar with FO1 scripts can probably tell you, I only barely started getting into this and with FO2 which has somewhat different scripts.
Edit: Yeah, pretty sure you get that line if her reaction to you is bad. And reaction is calculated based on several factors.
Interestingly, just did a search through the FO2 scripts and only a couple seem to actually check the reaction in dialogue.
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Thanks a lot. I really appreciate this. I tried messing with reputation parameter, but past a certain negative point she just refuses to talk. So, further help from anyone still appreciated
I read up on NPC reaction https://fallout.gamepedia.com/Reaction
And it appears that it's exactly what I was messing with when I lowered reputation. So when it drops past a certain point, she would refuse to talk, without an option to trigger {121}, so possibly that line can not possibly be achieved in the game, but I'd still love someone to confirm this for sure.
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FeelTheRads
Vault Senior Citizen
Is she saying
{I'm sorry, you're disrupting my meditation. Please leave.}
When you're trying to talk to her? If that's the case, try the modified script I attached.
I have no idea if it will work, though.
It's pretty tough to figure out the conditions that get checked when you try to talk to her.
I think if you already talked to her and some global variable is set, then she'll only talk to you again if her reaction is good. Which I think is done with this "if (local_var(1) >= 2)"
I modified that to "if (local_var(1) >= 1)" so I think you should be able to do it now...
Edit: Also, in FO2 reaction 1 seems to be considered "decent". If it's the same in FO1 then to get that line (134) you need reputation 0 or lower, which means neutral or worse.
But as I said above, if some other conditions are met, you can only talk to her again if your reaction is 2 or more... which means good or better.
That is if it's the same in FO1 as in FO2.
{I'm sorry, you're disrupting my meditation. Please leave.}
When you're trying to talk to her? If that's the case, try the modified script I attached.
I have no idea if it will work, though.
It's pretty tough to figure out the conditions that get checked when you try to talk to her.
I think if you already talked to her and some global variable is set, then she'll only talk to you again if her reaction is good. Which I think is done with this "if (local_var(1) >= 2)"
I modified that to "if (local_var(1) >= 1)" so I think you should be able to do it now...
Edit: Also, in FO2 reaction 1 seems to be considered "decent". If it's the same in FO1 then to get that line (134) you need reputation 0 or lower, which means neutral or worse.
But as I said above, if some other conditions are met, you can only talk to her again if your reaction is 2 or more... which means good or better.
That is if it's the same in FO1 as in FO2.
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Yes, exactly.
Indeed, the line triggers with your modified script. But I'm a bit confused about these variables. Does this mean you can't get this line normally? I am able to get the line only on first interaction with her with low reputation (with your modified script). On subsequent interactions she just bounces me off with line (101) about meditation.
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FeelTheRads
Vault Senior Citizen
So, with the modified script if you talk to her again it still goes to 101?
That's weird... I have no idea what I'm doing.
OK, I analyzed it a bit more and so far I got this, but that doesn't make really sense given what you said...
So, first time ever you talk to her she checks if your reaction is 2 or more (good or better). If it is, then her line will be
{110}{Vree02}{Greetings. It's a fine day for learning. Can I help you?}
If it's not, then she goes straight to
{101}{Vree00}{I'm sorry, you're disrupting my meditation. Please leave.}
But if you try to talk to her again after this, there are some global variable checks. I have not yet figured out how to identify what the global variables are in a decompiled FO1 script.
However, the first global variables checked seem to be bad because if they are true they all go to bad replies from her.
But you should be able to talk to her again, if global variable 10(whatever that is) is less than 1 AND your reaction is more than 1 (so again good or better). This should go to this line:
{117}{Vree17}{What can I help you with?}
If global variable 10 is less than 1 but reaction is 1 or less, then she'll say
{180}{Vree46}{Oh, it's you. What do you want?}
To which you can say you want to apologize, but funny thing is that the apology works only if reaction is more than 2 (that is GREAT or better!!!) which doesn't make sense seeing how to get to this line your reaction needs to be 1 or less.
So anyway, given these reaction checks, I believe that indeed you can't get line 134 normally.
But then again, as I said, I'm just figuring out scripting so what I said in this post may very well be wrong.
Or I just don't understand how the reaction system works.
Edit: It looks like if you reply this "{102}{}{I'm sorry. I'll come back another time.}" to her meditation line it will start improving your reputation. So essentially you can spam that line until you get her in the mood.
If you want to make it even worse, just say {How could I know your schedule?} and then in the next node either of these two:
{108}{}{Yeah, ok. Whatever.}
{109}{}{Oh, I'm scared.}
109 is worse than 108.
That's weird... I have no idea what I'm doing.
OK, I analyzed it a bit more and so far I got this, but that doesn't make really sense given what you said...
So, first time ever you talk to her she checks if your reaction is 2 or more (good or better). If it is, then her line will be
{110}{Vree02}{Greetings. It's a fine day for learning. Can I help you?}
If it's not, then she goes straight to
{101}{Vree00}{I'm sorry, you're disrupting my meditation. Please leave.}
But if you try to talk to her again after this, there are some global variable checks. I have not yet figured out how to identify what the global variables are in a decompiled FO1 script.
However, the first global variables checked seem to be bad because if they are true they all go to bad replies from her.
But you should be able to talk to her again, if global variable 10(whatever that is) is less than 1 AND your reaction is more than 1 (so again good or better). This should go to this line:
{117}{Vree17}{What can I help you with?}
If global variable 10 is less than 1 but reaction is 1 or less, then she'll say
{180}{Vree46}{Oh, it's you. What do you want?}
To which you can say you want to apologize, but funny thing is that the apology works only if reaction is more than 2 (that is GREAT or better!!!) which doesn't make sense seeing how to get to this line your reaction needs to be 1 or less.
So anyway, given these reaction checks, I believe that indeed you can't get line 134 normally.
But then again, as I said, I'm just figuring out scripting so what I said in this post may very well be wrong.
Or I just don't understand how the reaction system works.
Edit: It looks like if you reply this "{102}{}{I'm sorry. I'll come back another time.}" to her meditation line it will start improving your reputation. So essentially you can spam that line until you get her in the mood.
If you want to make it even worse, just say {How could I know your schedule?} and then in the next node either of these two:
{108}{}{Yeah, ok. Whatever.}
{109}{}{Oh, I'm scared.}
109 is worse than 108.
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FeelTheRads
Vault Senior Citizen
Yeah, I don't think the decompiled global variables correspond to those in Vault13.gam... just because they don't make sense to me.
Oh yeah, and something else. In Vree's script, her reaction can only be 1,2 or 3. So I'm guessing it works differently than Fallou2 because in Fallout 2 those mean Decent, Good and Great. So disregard when I called them by name in the previous posts.
I assume in Fallout 1 they just stand for Bad, Neutral and Good.
So if that's correct you need a Neutral reaction to talk to her.
Oh yeah, and something else. In Vree's script, her reaction can only be 1,2 or 3. So I'm guessing it works differently than Fallou2 because in Fallout 2 those mean Decent, Good and Great. So disregard when I called them by name in the previous posts.
I assume in Fallout 1 they just stand for Bad, Neutral and Good.
So if that's correct you need a Neutral reaction to talk to her.
FeelTheRads
Vault Senior Citizen
Wait, I think I figured something out.
global variable 10 seems to be related to the lost initiate that you have to rescue.
If it's 1 then he's not rescued and she asks if you heard about it and that's it's terrible. If you say you agree, she says she'll be grateful if you can help him.
If it's 2 then he's rescued and she gives you a reward and big improvement in her reaction towards you.
If it's less than 1... the one I was talking earlier, well, I don't know what it means, but I assume it means you didn't get the quest yet...
So essentially it means that you should be able to talk to her again as long as your reaction is 2 or 3. Just keep spamming "{102}{}{I'm sorry. I'll come back another time.}" until you get there.
And that indeed you can't get line 134. Unless maybe it's possible get her reaction down during dialogue without resulting in ending the dialogue...
Edit: And also I was wrong about the other global variables checked when you start talking to her leading to bad dialogue options. I was looking in the wrong place.
One of them does, though, which leads to her saying this
{152}{Vree32}{You will destroy the knowledge that can save the world!}
And from there on combat will ensue no matter what if I'm not mistaken.
And there's one about a character that was cut from the game: https://fallout.gamepedia.com/Kedrick
global variable 10 seems to be related to the lost initiate that you have to rescue.
If it's 1 then he's not rescued and she asks if you heard about it and that's it's terrible. If you say you agree, she says she'll be grateful if you can help him.
If it's 2 then he's rescued and she gives you a reward and big improvement in her reaction towards you.
If it's less than 1... the one I was talking earlier, well, I don't know what it means, but I assume it means you didn't get the quest yet...
So essentially it means that you should be able to talk to her again as long as your reaction is 2 or 3. Just keep spamming "{102}{}{I'm sorry. I'll come back another time.}" until you get there.
And that indeed you can't get line 134. Unless maybe it's possible get her reaction down during dialogue without resulting in ending the dialogue...
Edit: And also I was wrong about the other global variables checked when you start talking to her leading to bad dialogue options. I was looking in the wrong place.
One of them does, though, which leads to her saying this
{152}{Vree32}{You will destroy the knowledge that can save the world!}
And from there on combat will ensue no matter what if I'm not mistaken.
And there's one about a character that was cut from the game: https://fallout.gamepedia.com/Kedrick
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Yeah, that's what I thought too. And I don't think there are any dialog options that can do that. Thanks a lot, your help has been invaluable.
FeelTheRads
Vault Senior Citizen
Well, that's a line you can say to her.
Here's how I think you can get it.
If you're talking to her the first time and you're a man she'll say:
Haven't seen YOU around before. What's your name, stranger? (Smirks.) Actually, never mind, I don't want to know. You as bored as I am?
Then reply:
I might be bored. Why, you looking for some excitement, princess?
She'll say:
You watch your mouth when you talk to me. I'm Angela BISHOP. My Dad is the HEAD of Family Bishop. You'll show me the same respect you show him, or they'll be scraping pieces of you off the wall. UNDERSTAND?
Then reply:
Calm down. I was just joking with you.
She'll say:
All right then... (Looks you up and down.)
Then you'll have 3 replies, choose any of them and she'll say:
Look: I got some Jet in my room… and NOT that crappy shit they give the dimestore hookers and junkies. Y'wanna fly?
Then you'll have line 364 as the third option.
Note that this is not tested, it's just what I got from the script.
I think it's tough to get that line because you need to have the "angela_warned" variable set and it looks like most of the dialogue lines that set it piss her off badly. "I might be bored. Why, you looking for some excitement, princess?" also sets it, but you can get out of it by saying you were joking...
Here's how I think you can get it.
If you're talking to her the first time and you're a man she'll say:
Haven't seen YOU around before. What's your name, stranger? (Smirks.) Actually, never mind, I don't want to know. You as bored as I am?
Then reply:
I might be bored. Why, you looking for some excitement, princess?
She'll say:
You watch your mouth when you talk to me. I'm Angela BISHOP. My Dad is the HEAD of Family Bishop. You'll show me the same respect you show him, or they'll be scraping pieces of you off the wall. UNDERSTAND?
Then reply:
Calm down. I was just joking with you.
She'll say:
All right then... (Looks you up and down.)
Then you'll have 3 replies, choose any of them and she'll say:
Look: I got some Jet in my room… and NOT that crappy shit they give the dimestore hookers and junkies. Y'wanna fly?
Then you'll have line 364 as the third option.
Note that this is not tested, it's just what I got from the script.
I think it's tough to get that line because you need to have the "angela_warned" variable set and it looks like most of the dialogue lines that set it piss her off badly. "I might be bored. Why, you looking for some excitement, princess?" also sets it, but you can get out of it by saying you were joking...
FeelTheRads
Vault Senior Citizen
Ah, yes, I think it shows up only if GVAR_PLAYER_REPUTATION is less than 0
Yesss! That was it, thanks a lot. I just get confused between all these possible variables affecting the dialog.
Another little thing. Here I think {861}{}{Uh, what's a fluffer?} should take you to {610}{}{You yanking my member? Look, if you gotta ask, then you AIN'T the person for the job. Now whaddya want?}.
However, in this russian copy I got here it just directs me to
{630}{}{Awright then. Head to the back, start waxing the shafts. Here's your pay: 5 chips.} - which makes no sense.
Is this a bug in the original game, or is something just wrong with my copy or something? I've included both. MSG files should be identical in structure except for the added lines from {10270} in the russian copy.
Another little thing. Here I think {861}{}{Uh, what's a fluffer?} should take you to {610}{}{You yanking my member? Look, if you gotta ask, then you AIN'T the person for the job. Now whaddya want?}.
However, in this russian copy I got here it just directs me to
{630}{}{Awright then. Head to the back, start waxing the shafts. Here's your pay: 5 chips.} - which makes no sense.
Is this a bug in the original game, or is something just wrong with my copy or something? I've included both. MSG files should be identical in structure except for the added lines from {10270} in the russian copy.
FeelTheRads
Vault Senior Citizen
Yeah, seems like a bug. It takes you to the same node as if you replied "Sure am."
Thanks again. You got to be sick of me at this point, but I got another request. I'm nearing the end tho.
Here I can't get to line {170}{hld18}{I just let a big fart and it still doesn’t cover your stink. Why don’t you just drift outta here?}
What would be the requirements? Again, if it even is accessible at all.
Here I can't get to line {170}{hld18}{I just let a big fart and it still doesn’t cover your stink. Why don’t you just drift outta here?}
What would be the requirements? Again, if it even is accessible at all.